Ahh, yes, but, try and determine of yhe RH rpm's are up-to-date with current sploits. RH has it's own versioning system and one can find temselves doing a RH website crawl into the ethers...
Or, talk to John Airey <hope I spelled that correctly John> about trying to upgrade openssl and or mod_ssl for apache. As a few others have hinted; RH imagines itself to be a contender with the M$ desktop market, and even M$ in it's past anti-trust suits tried to bolster that image... But, the plain and simple is, many RH users founder at a commandline. Thanks, Ron DuFresne On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Paul Tinsley wrote: > Your opinions on RedHat show that you have never been an administrator > in a big shop. > > I have been administrating RedHat boxes for years and have yet to touch > a GUI. I started off with slackware and went away from it when I wanted > real administration capabilities. Your comments are very typical of a > small shop administrator, get back with me when you run out of cute > names for your boxes and have to start numbering them. > > Redhat's configuration layout is not very complex... /etc/sysconfig/* > gets 99% of the system wide stuff /etc/enter_service_name_here/* for > specific service stuff... covers most of the rest. Thinking that RedHat > is preventing you from using the console is lack of the true workings of > a Linux box or the inability to read documentation, if you understand > how a Linux box works, you could track down the configuration files > pretty easily. Start with init and work your way up, you should be used > to brute force coming from slackware. > > And as I am currently in the market for a new low-end server OS and you > say that slackware is the best one out there. How do I deal with the > following: > - Listing installed "packages" on the machine; slackware documentation > shows how to install, update, and remove but not query installed > packages for version information > (http://www.slackware.com/config/packages.php.) How would I get a list > of all the packages installed with name, version and summary information > in csv format? One RedHat 'linux "power user"' way would be rpm -qa > --qf '%{NAME},%{VERSION},%{SUMMARY}\n' > > - Automate patch and package deployment for a large install base? A > couple of RedHat ways would be up2date with the satellite server or autorpm. > > - support best practice user account security: password lockout after x > failed tries, password complexity, password aging, central > authentication? I can send you my pam configuration files if you want. > > > > Please think before you post. > > > Michael Gale wrote: > > >Ya - well - your opinions of other distro's just goes to show why you were using RH. > > > >RH is, oh wait - was linux's version of windows, a pain in the a$$. People who > >started off on RH usually never learned anything and are stuck with the same > >problems as windows has except for less crashing. > > > >Modifying things is a pain because there are 50 millions different places that RH > >keeps the data and you can't do anything from the console so you get stuck using > >the GUI they provide. > > > >And please RPM'S !!!!! Should I just provide you with a windows install shield :) > > > >Slackware is at version 9.1 thank you :) and in my opinion the best linux distro > >out there for server class machines, I feel it is better then freeBSD :) > > > >It is also a great desktop OS -- it is just a "not out of the box" desktop - > >x-windows running machine. > > > >Suse and Mandrake make fairly decent out of the box x running desktop machines. > > > >But this is the whole point on using Linux - control and freedom. You get to do > >what ever you want, how ever you want with YOUR PC !!!. > > > >I good luck to the RH company -- I hope you crash and burn. To all the RH users. > >Time to RTFM, stop trying to be linux "power user" and use a real distro. Hell - go > >and dw OpenBSD and start there !!! Is it like driving a car -- you do not start > >with the Porsche, you work your way up to it. > > > >Michael > > > >On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 15:22:30 -0500 > >"Jonathan A. Zdziarski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > >>On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 14:11, Tim Groninga wrote: > >> > >> > >>>Got the same f-you-gram today - already figuring out what distro to > >>>fall back to but 99% of my experience has been on Redhat. No time to > >>>try them all....so FreeBSD/SuSE/Mandrake - what are your opinions of > >>>each? Flexiblity, ease of use, ease of migration, security etc. > >>> > >>> > >>I would love to see the open source community pull together and create a > >>better "user-friendly" Linux distribution to replace RedHat. So far all > >>of the alternatives I've looked at, while not bad, are quite frankly not > >>impressive enough to capture any desktop user market space away from > >>Microsoft...which is what I feel is the most important contribution > >>RedHat made to Linux prior to turning into a bunch of selfish > >>blood-sucking misers. > >> > >>To answer your question: > >> > >>Debian: 8 CDs of useless or outdated software, 2.2 kernel install, > >>poorly designed install tool > >> > >>Slackware: What version are we at? > >> > >>Mandrake: Welcome n00b. > >> > >>Lindows: su? we don't need no stinking su. > >> > >>FreeLSD: Uh, how did this make it into the mix? > >> > >>SuSe: the most promising, which is why they'll probably be next to screw > >>the Linux community. Not sure if I can handle them discontinuing it for > >>a SECOND time. > >> > >><rant> > >>I'm a strong supporter of open-source, free software...but wtf good is > >>the GPL if the cycle always ends in the open-source, free software > >>community being screwed? > >></rant> > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > >>Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html > >> > >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > >Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Cutting the space budget really restores my faith in humanity. 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