Have you considered the disbenefit of such a move. Your employer could end up having to pay you less. Force you into a group life savings plan (saving the employer money). Force your employer to decide your HMO.
What I think you really mean is that we need an indepentent testing mechanism, that is not vendor baised, that can judge by a persons knowledge, education and experience. But we already have that: http://www.sans.org/ http://www.comptia.org/default.asp Just look around Lan Guy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Sichel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 10:31 PM Subject: [Full-Disclosure] Professional Groups > > It's time we as a professional group start talking and walking like > > adults (at least more than in the past), I think. Just playing with > > computers is fine, but not enough. > > >Agreed. And believe me, I have spent many an hour trying to figure out > > >how to approach the problem. Unfortunately, every solution I can come > >up with involves educating the masses . . . many of whom don't want to > >be confused with facts . . . ;> > > This is off topic but I couldn't help myself. What we need is a union. > Why? Well right now, management generally buys the software that has the > cutest infobabes, the best promise, or safe branding (Microsoft). If we > had a union that negotiated a contract that paid us extra for fixing > software failures or broken installs, so that the bottom line got hurt > by the crap these people sell, it would take about 5 minutes for the > priorities to change in purchasing decisions and for SLAs and tech > support to be ratcheted up where they belong. > > Speaking as a US citizen, if we were Teamsters and honored their picket > lines think of the leverage we would have. Scab truck drivers are > available, but imagine the chaos of scab sys admins or firewall > administrators? And of course when the Teamsters honor our picket lines, > that wouldn't hurt a bit. > > Be nice to keep our jobs from going to third world countries where tech > professionals are even more exploited than here. > > But of course, all my technical professional colleagues will pooh-pooh > the idea of a union. They always do. Think about this, a union for us > could be like the bar associatio for lawyers or the AMA for doctors. We > could impose stringent professional abilities, certifications, and > requirements to ensure we are a professional, capable body of people. We > could institute apprenticeships so we have a supply of people who are > more than paper MCSEs or CCNAs. > > I am very fortunate that I work in an enlightened company that pays more > than lip service to standards and security. Management totally backs us > up on secure and safe computing. No IM, no HTML mail, no user installed > software. A budget for security and training. It is wonderfule. It is > also the first employer in my 15 years of IT experience that follows > through on these things. But I remember the pain and anguish from > before. If we are going to change our industry so that we can succeed at > our jobs, we need a union. Period. > > > Dan Sichel, Network Engineer > Ponderosa Telephone Company > (559) 868-6367 > > _______________________________________________ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html > _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
