PLEASE TAKE THIS PRIVATE/OFF-LIST There are plenty of appropriate forums for this kind of discussion. This just doesn't happen to be one.
On Tue, 2004-07-20 at 12:06, J.A. Terranson wrote: > On Tue, 20 Jul 2004, Cory Crawford wrote: > > <Miscellaneous ad hominem and self referential blather about how people > hate us because they have a different God, etc., elided> > > > > As for America being so terrible. We provide the most money, people, and > > support to humane causes then any other single or group of countries. > > This does not wipe out our sins: mass murder is not part of a zero-sum > ethics game. > > > Who are you to say what the Israelis do or think is wrong and thus they > > are mass-murderers? > > Any country that deliberately massacres civilians is, by definition, > guilty of genocide. > > > See it's hypocritical people like you who are the > > problem. You sympathize and try to have understanding for terrorists, > > and yet you have no compassion or love for innocent people. > > <lmao> Innocent? Like the Israeli's are "innocent"? Rigghhhttt. > > Hey: don't forget to claim that I'm an "anti-semite" just because I don't > carry the Israeli flag in my pocket. > > > America isn't the problem. > > You really don't have even a hint of a clue. Wow! > > > If it were countries, including your precious U.N, > > would stop asking us to fix all the world's problems. I'm sure there are > > many of us who would agree with you and we should not help our friends > > and allies or anyone else for that matter. > > We're not talking about "the UN asking us to fix the worlds problems". > We're talking about premeditated, ongoing, genocide being committed by > Israel, with our explicit and implicit support. By your own "soldier's > logic", that makes America the enemy of anyone who is a victim of the > Israeli slaughters. > > > Yet, when there's a crisis or > > a tyrant killing innocent people you will whine and say "why aren't we > > doing anything? > > This is a non-argument. A sideliner. We are not talking about this > "other case", however, since you seem determined to tell me how I would > react - I'm pretty open and vocal, as you can see. A quick search of > google will tell you that you are 100% full of shit on this. > > > America is evil. We are selfish. We just sit and do > > nothing while making money off the sweat and blood of innocent victims." > > Again, not my position, nor is it a topic under discussion. We are > talking about a specific thing: the open, brazen support for a country > that appears to be dedicated to the removal of another race from the > planet. Hrmmm... Why does that sound familiar? > > > When will your hypocrisy end? I say never. > > When you can find "hypocracy", then we'll talk. For now, you're just > making shit up, and then attacking it. > > > The reason is is that despite > > all of your supposedly intelligent word smithing and wise cracks you are > > just another fool who thinks they know more than the lowly humans you > > share this planet with. > > Example? Oh yes - my beliefs are different than yours, ergo, you are > right, I am wrong, and by extension, a hypocrite, terrorist, "fringe > lunatic", etc. You are doing a *really* good job of making my arguments > *for me*. > > > > I served this country and fought for it as an Infantryman. > > And here, finally - *mercifully* - we get to the crux of your issue. You > are still in military mode: We will tell you what to believe, and you will > do as told. > > Try using your own brain (which should still be attached to your own eyes > BTW) to do a little research, and then come up with your own, *reasoned* > beliefs and opinions. Spouting this unthinking crap makes you look like > your enemy Bin Laden: spewing crap because it's "the right belief" - > without any worries about fact or falsity. > > > You know > > nothing about what our soldiers fight and die for. > > Really? Are you about to claim I didn't serve with distinction? How do > you supposedly know this "fact"? > > > You talk about > > America sends it's soldiers to do their dirty work. Yet, we are one of > > the only countries in the world where our soldiers volunteer and go of > > their own free will. > > How does this have *anything* to do with the subject at hand? Spewing > random justifications for random acts and non-acts doesn't do anything for > your cause. It just questions your ability to reason. > > > Unlike your precious dictators, tyrants, and > > terrorists who force, coerce, or raise their people to believe that > > giving their life is their duty and responsibility. While fat, lazy, > > self-proclaimed intellectuals like yourself sit back and think how awful > > and backward America is. > > More ad hominem blather. Please continue - you continue to make my case. > > Foaming True Believers, whether American nut jobs like you, or Afghani nut > jobs like Bin Laden, are *ALL* still nut jobs. > > > > As for your "brave" terrorists, you are obviously not nearly as bright > > as you proclaim to be > > More ad hominem. You realize that if this were high school, or even grade > school level debate, you'd have forfeit already, right? > > > if you think this is bravery. Bravery isn't > > killing yourself. That's an easy way out. Bravery isn't attacking > > innocent men, women, and children. > > Agreed. So, lets get the Israelis to stop it, rather than preventing the > world from doing anything about it. > > > Bravery is fighting for as long as > > you are able to draw breath for what you believe. Bravery is putting > > your life on the line for the liberty of others in hopes that you will > > survive to do it again another day but not afraid if that chance doesn't > > come. My drill sergeant taught us what bravery is, "Bravery isn't dying > > for your country. Bravery is giving the other guy the maximum > > opportunity to die for his!" > > Rah rah... Whatever. Please note that assymetric warfare is the great > equalizer, and has been throughout history. When you are facing an enemy > with orders of magnitude more men and materiel, it is the only way you can > defeat your enemy. > > All of that military pseudobullshit aside, WE created these fucking > terrorists by *supporting* the Israeli terrorists. We are, by every > morally defensible position, the enemy of all who have suffered under > these campaigns of mass murder, torture, and terror. > > Remember - historically, Israel was FOUNDED as a terrorist state. > Remember Menachim Begin? That dude *set the standards* for terror! > > As to the palestinians, they are taking in the example set by their > current oppressors: kill enough people, and you'll get whatever you want. > > What's good for the goose... > > > You would love for this to be about Bush, but it's not. No one seemed to > > mind Clinton dodging the draft. > > Really? Once again, before putting words into my mouth, maybe you should > check google. > > > Maybe Bush could've served more visibly so you could have warm fuzzies, > > Maybe Bush could have *served* - period. > > > but as anyone who has served knows that service is service. > > If you show up. > > > You don't have to be an Infantryman trained to face > > the enemy at the end of a barrel to serve and sacrifice for your > > country. > > But you do have to show up, honor the uniform, and follow orders. Or are > things different now? > > > Why don't you stop hating America, supporting cold-blooded, > > spineless killers, > > Like Israel, and by extension, America? > > > pointing fingers and calling names, whining, > > Doctor!!! Heal Thyself!!! > > > and > > start thinking about the good that is America and the American people. > > After all, the American people are great and made up of more than Bush, > > rich businessmen, and white racist males. America is the best, and > > sometimes the worst, of every country and every culture in the world. > > And that has squat to do with the entire discussion. You keep asserting > that our good outweighs our evil, but that is not a morally defensible > position. Not even under the UCMJ. > > > I'll let you soak up my drivel. Respond if you like, but this is the > > last email I will generate on the topic. > > Blessed is the creator! > > > You may lecture others on how > > wonderfully brilliant you are when you wake, but I'll pass on your > > "wisdom" and brilliant word smithing in exchange for some common sense. > > > Be certain to go to the polls too. I will be there, and you'll want to > make sure tha the Angry Midget in Washington can get re-appointed. > > > -A soldier, and American > > You are a disgrace to the uniform. -- ------------------------------ Richard Silver Sr Network Engineer East Alabama Medical Center 2000 Pepperell Parkway Opelika, AL 36801 334-705-1859 www.eamc.org ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
