I totally disagree. I think that Phrack.org was a bunch of watered down old bullshit. If "Long Live" anything, Long Live pHC.
whiteh8 f0' lyfE On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 08:34:01PM +0000, xyberpix wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I really have to agree with starwars on this one, I have been reading > Phrack for years now, c'mon people even if a few groups are not willing > to try an publish Phrack for everyone to vote on, why don't a few of us > get together and keep Phrack going? Anyone who's interested in keeping > this part of all our lives in one way or another alive, mail me off the > list and lets make this happen. > > xyberpix > > On 23 Jan 2005, at 09:45, starwars wrote: > > > > >After several years of steady decline in the wrong hands, maybe it is > >too late to save Phrack. But I think we owe something back to the zine > >that gave us so much. Many us were drawn into computer security by > >Phrack, grew up along with it, and were nourished by the high quality > >papers of it's contributors. > > > >The current editors of Phrack have decided to kill off Phrack for > >good. This is an outrage. Phrack has always purported to be for the > >community by the community. They have no right to kill off nearly > >twenty years of tradition. > > > >Despite it's poor performance of late, Phrack still has > >an unparalleled and awesome record as a technical source you can really > >bite your teeth into. It's also had a major cultural impact over the > >years: > > > >"You bet your ass we're all alike... we've been spoon-fed baby food at > >school when we hungered for steak... the bits of meat that you did let > >slip through were pre-chewed and tasteless. We've been dominated by > >sadists, or ignored by the apathetic. The few that had something to > >teach found us willing pupils, but those few are like drops of water > >in the desert. > >... > >Yes, I am a criminal. My crime is that of curiosity. My crime is that > >of judging people by what they say and think, not what they look like. > >My crime is that of outsmarting you, something that you will never > >forgive me for. > >" > > > >-- A hacker's manifesto, the Mentor, 1986 > > > >The current "anonymous" batch editors have outgrown the zine. They > >were a bad choice to begin with, but regardless, that's happened to > >phrack before. On a regular basis. Every generation or so passes on > >phrack to the next. It's tradition. > > > >What's different about the current batch of editors was their intense > >arrogance and unusualy patronizing attitude towards the scene. Phrack > >hasn't been about the computer underground for years. The last ten > >years have turned Phrack into a prestigious journal for security > >research. > > > >The anarchistic underground roots of phrack have been whitewashed away > >by the latest batch of editors. Go and read the issues from 1980s, > >early 90s. > > > >The reason this happened was that when the scene moved to the Internet > >in the mid 90s the MIT hacker memes battled it out against "war games" > >hacker meme of the 80s. Hacker still has an 80s meaning for the > >general public, but the MIT hacker meme clearly won amongst the > >technically savy. The "cracker" and "script kiddy" memes were part of > >a process that turned Phrack's underground past into an embarrassment. > > > >So Phrack gradually turned against it's own roots. It's not for the > >hacker community by the hacker community anymore. Far from it. The > >current incarnation of Phrack actually spreads hypocritical > >anti-hacker memes between it's covers. It's BY > >$150-an-hour-security-consultants FOR > >our-reputation-in-the-security-industry. > > > >Phrack has been hijacked by sellouts. > > > >Aside from their snobbish elitist attitude, what have the recent > >editors of Phrack contributed? The articles are written by others. Try > >reading the "loopback" section written by the Phrack editors sometime. > >Degrading newbies never gets old for these guys. Ha ha! you're all so > >stupid! We're so uber elite! > > > >So now what's happened is that these guys are so old school, so > >been-there-done-that, patronizing assholes that they've decided it's > >time for Phrack to die rather than evolve. > > > >Here's an alternative to killing off a 20 year tradition: run a > >competition amongst would-be editors who can publish the best next > >issue of phrack. Then allow the PUBLIC to vote amongst alternatives as > >to whom succeeds the current editors. > > > >The team that manages to hack together the best edition of phrack 64 > >wins. > > > >Phrack is dead. 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