cool - thanks for that explanation. I am not a developer, and so once you've dumbed a topic down, dumb it down a little more and that'll be perfect for me :)
So, I am anxious to use some of func's stuff in NetDirector - espec. the features you mentioned. And one of the things users have been asking us for forever is the ability to run their own scripts through ND - and so, if there's a way to get some economies of scale by having a shared script repo across func/ND, that would be cool. As far as ND contribs to func, I'm wondering if there's a use case for windows support in func...we'll be putting a stable ND agent for windows on SF soon (this week I hope) and our agent arch. is like yours - python, xml-rpc to theserver manager (ND's overlord equivalent) GW On Feb 19, 2008 9:38 AM, Michael DeHaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Greg Wallace wrote: > > Hey Michael, > > > > I read the ditty on this functionality. I think there's a lot of very > > good ideas there. Where you suggest that the proposed functionality > > sounds like Webmin, I would say no, it sound like NetDirector. > > --snip-- > > Well, not really. Different use cases. Certaintly you could use > Func's tools and APIs and security systems to build a NetDirector, but > this is specifically about remoting the system-config-* apps with > bare-minimum simplicity. Personally I think the enterprise management > software thing has been beat to death so I don't really want to build > another using Func just yet :) > > From the Net Director Page: > > """ > NetDirector Server Manager runs Java servelets on the Tomcat java > application server. Data can then be stored in either a MySQL or > PostgresSQL database. The NetDirector Server Manager has two types of > logins, admin and user logins. > """ > > This seems to target businesses to me. Here we would be talking about > no application server, no database, and OS logins. Running /straight/ > out of the box, right after a "yum install" with zero configuration, > just visit the URL (hopefully with a shortcut already installed in the > menus), and you're off and running. > > The issue is that the existing system-config-* apps, while always there, > are not remoteable, and could benefit from sharing just a bit more > code. Plus, some of them are growing unmaintained and it would be nice > to explore what the next generation of those apps could be. Ease of > setup /out of the box/ is the primary > driver, which is a bit different from the enterprise management kind of > use case. GUIs would closely parallel system-config-* in terms of > functionality and also > in many cases what they look like. > > This isn't about building yet another enterprise systems management app > per se, this is about fixing the Fedora/Desktop case. For instance, as > much as I hate them, the discussion tends to come up that Windows > management tools (like the evil IIS configurator) are apparently > remoteable with GUIs (despite the fact that GUIs are not the best tool > for every job). Our tools should be similarly shiny. (Do I want to > write an Apache configurator? No, but that's beside the point...) > > We're still of course very interested in contributions to Func -- so any > patches you would like to submit, or module features, etc, are always > welcome. > > I think where Func and NetDirector line up isn't in the area of FuncWeb, > but in NetDirector possibly using Func (and it's modules) for > communication, cert > exchange, logging, etc. > > So you could still build the higher level more enterprisey application > on top of Func (if NetDirector wants to) -- but that shouldn't be > confused with the goals of FuncWeb. > > --Michael > > > > -- Greg Greg Wallace SkypeID: gregwallaceemu O: 617.830.1835 M: 919.247.3165 Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/gtewallace Project: www.netdirector.org Blog: www.jocsflorals.blogspot.com
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