On Wed, 12 Sep 2007, Brian Loe wrote: > On 9/11/07, Andy Sutton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tue, 2007-09-11 at 18:00 -0500, Brian Loe wrote: > > > I fail to see how that compares to forcing women to cover their > > > faces... > > > > I fail to see how you can't. Different cultural norms produce different > > perceptions on what makes a good decency law, but force is still force. > > Whether that force is used to cover up someones Joe Boxers, thong, or a > > woman's hair makes not a lick of difference - unless you believe "our" > > force is better. > > > > If that's the case, I have nothing else to say to you. > > I'll concede the point that all governments use force. I'll concede > the point that all governments enforce culturally based laws. But I > can not concede the idea that forcing a woman to cover her face - > become invisible - is equivalent to forcing a guy to pull his pants up > so that he can actually walk across the street at a proper pace. > > As comparisons between other non-insane countries go, there really > isn't much comparison in this regard. France may have public nude > beaches, but the US does have them as well - they're generally just > private.
Um - your public nude beaches are private ... The whole point is that the French have a different standard of acceptable public nudity from you Americans. How can you say that's bad? And how can you say that it's bad that Iran has a different standard of acceptable public nudity? > If this country got back to its roots we would all > acknowledge that "property = pursuit of happiness" and let that > knowledge be our guide. In other words, we don't need the government's > permission to do shit on our property - but the community does still > guide what happens in the public. Most laws in the modern world, where > ever you are but certainly every place I've heard from on here, are > based on religious moral edicts. But they're not "religious laws" - > they are the agreed upon morality of the community (or should be). > This is an argument for strong state powers (often called "rights"), > which I am in favor of. > > Some folks just don't want to see breasts hanging out in public. I > don't understand it, but its the law (most of the time ;). So how come your tolerance doesn't extend to the Iranians not wanting to see exposed female faces in public? _______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
