I would not dismiss "social engineering" too lightly... but I think the boat 
may be missed in that it works both ways.

Good security, at least as far as I can see through my myopic visual sensors, 
necessitates a form of reverse-social engineering in order to secure your 
infrastructure. Hardware and software limitations, as discussed ad nauseam here 
and in other arenas, are limited by the realities of business incentives and 
resources while hackers, phishers, spammers (salty), etc. are diverse in 
tactics and resources (infinite monkeys comes to mind).

I know, we've all tried to teach "users" to take their own IT security more 
seriously, and with the same limited results, but it may soon be impossible to 
function outside of the "connected space" and people need to be aware that you 
can't roam around the internet without knowing a minimal amount of security 
anymore than you can walk around Compton* with $100.00 bills hanging out of 
your pockets.

*Compton selected due to higher than average exposure via international media 
for street crime. See, I'm always looking out for our bretheren from 
out-of-country... even if I'm also there.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Harley [EMAIL 
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Sent: October 4, 2007 3:17 PM
To: 'Paul Ferguson'; [email protected]
Subject: RE: [funsec] Quote of the Day: Bruce Schneier

> Note: This is an excellent summary of the Storm situation.

I suppose. I did find his assertions about the powerlessness of AV and the
citing of stuff like old school social engineering as the future of malware
a little Chicken Little.

--
David Harley
http://www.smallblue-greenworld.co.uk


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