On 12/10/09 06:25 -0400, Larry Seltzer wrote:
>As a general matter nothing would trigger it. It goes into effect
>immediately. Are you asking what constitutes an infected user? We'd have
>to define that, but it's not the right question for this discussion
>unless you think it's impossible to define. Is it? 

Essentially that's what I'm suggesting. At what point would the ISP be
responsible to act?

>>> You don't mention SPAM, perhaps intentionally...
>
>A customer sending out spam bot-like sounds like a trigger to me.

Then you'll have to legally define SPAM.

>>> I would contend that, for the most part, infected PCs are not an ISP
>problem, but the customer's problem.
>
>Think of it as an Internet public health problem, and the ISPs are in
>the best position to isolate the patients.

That's probably true - I just don't think a law is the best approach here.
Education is.

>>>2) Replacing SMTP with something sane and secure. SMTP has got to be
>IETF's
>biggest failure.
>
>Serious efforts at that many years ago (MARID) essentially failed.
>
>>>3) Doing what we can to develop and increase our participation in a
>public
>key infrastructure and IPSEC.
>
>Voluntarily? In what century will that happen?

Well, #3 would go a long ways towards solving #2. I'm quite optimistic this
will happen in the next 10 years. As DNSSEC gets deployed, IPSEC will
become more than just a pipe dream (RFC 4025). 

But it's going to be a very bumpy road getting there, I'll grant you that.

-- 
Dan White
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