Since this is becoming something of a rant about the Tesla, which in its defense is a sweet piece of machinery, I should point out the issue here isn't the Tesla (which, in addition to being a sweet piece of machinery, has a 53k sedan model coming out for the 2012 model year), it's about the future. You can either view it with fear, masochism, denial or curiosity - everyone appears to be fixated on the first three, I have more fun with the fourth.
What I'm really waiting for, and since my Russian isn't quite up to snuff I haven't found primary sources on this yet, but I'm sure somebody in Russia has thought about "climate change = permanent warm- water port". I'm waiting until the discussions start moving towards whether we want to stabilize at a particularly higher temperature than over the last century - sort of a Mississippi River Commission for temperature. On Dec 10, 2009, at 10:24 PM, Larry Seltzer wrote: > A Tesla costs a 100 fucking thousand dollars, and I'm sure they're > losing money on every car. It's not a matter of convenience. > > Larry Seltzer > Contributing Editor, PC Magazine > [email protected] > http://blogs.pcmag.com/securitywatch/ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of seclists > Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 7:25 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [funsec] climate gate and programming bugs > > Well, I'm given to wonder how affordable is defined. Short term > convenience versus medium term extinction? > > Yeh, convenience is important. > > Sounds like a good bet to me, at least we will no longer have silly > debates over the reality of a warming planet. > > > > On 11/12/09 07:50, Larry Seltzer wrote: >> Anybody would prefer an affordable Tesla. The problem is that they're >> not, and they won't be any time soon. Do you think the solution is to >> make gasoline-based cars unaffordable as well? >> >> Larry Seltzer >> Contributing Editor, PC Magazine >> [email protected] >> http://blogs.pcmag.com/securitywatch/ >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Michael Collins [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 4:32 PM >> To: Dan Kaminsky >> Cc: Larry Seltzer; funsec >> Subject: Re: [funsec] climate gate and programming bugs >> >> But it's so much more *fun* to protect current business models and >> outmoded energy production techniques rather than grab a brave new >> future, Dan. >> >> Seriously, I don't understand, even apart from the climate change >> issue while people are so happy to keep sending money to the >> custodians of the two shrines and continue the operation of >> petroleum > >> cracking plants. Those bastards stink like three graves invading >> your > >> nasal cavity. I appreciate the sweet pickup of a nice V8 as the next > >> man, but I'll happily buy a Tesla when they're affordable. >> >> >> >> On Dec 9, 2009, at 4:49 PM, Dan Kaminsky wrote: >> >> >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:39 PM, Larry Seltzer >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>>> The reality is that for a whole bunch of reasons, a lot of stuff >>>>> >>> just isn't available. If you want it, if you want to reimplement >>> it, you get documentation in the form of a paper showing how to >>> achieve what is claimed. Is the paper enough? Sometimes it is, >>> yeah. But always? Even often? No, not at all. >>> >>> That's as may be. If we're expected to impose massive taxes and >>> regulations on the economy based on this supposedly settled science >>> we need to expect more in the way of proof. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> It's a talking point. Delay, delay, delay, ignore reality when it's > >>> inconvenient. >>> >>> The scientific consensus around climate change is *overwhelming*. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. >>> https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec >>> Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list. >>> >> Mike Collins >> [email protected] >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. >> https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec >> Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list. >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. > https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec > Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list. > > _______________________________________________ > Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. > https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec > Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list. Mike Collins [email protected] _______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
