The argument was more guns less CRIME, not more guns less crime with guns. The tradeoff is more crimes with guns for a lot less overall crime. I think that is a lot preferable to what goes on in the UK and Ireland.
BTW: Aside from issues related to the troubles, which have now mostly faded into insignificance, NI has always had lower crime than the rest of the UK, or the Republic since 1972. Kind of makes the point of the OP: More guns, less crime. Your post made my point. -----Original Message----- From: David Harley [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 3:18 AM To: Tomas L. Byrnes; 'funsec' Subject: RE: [funsec] FBI: More Guns == Less Crime > Your problem is that you only focus on "Gun Crime". Uh-huh. If you don't like the argument you're in, pretend it's a different one. It wasn't me who defined the subject for this thread. FWIW, I can certainly agree that firearms-unrelated violent crime in the UK is a bigger problem than gun crime. I'm surprised but happy to hear that it's less of a problem in the US. I'd suggest leaving aside Ireland, where the political issues have introduced a whole raft of extra complications - isn't self-defence still considered a valid reason to own a firearm in Northern Ireland? At any rate, N.I. law seems a lot more gun-friendly than the rest of the UK. -- David Harley BA CISSP FBCS CITP Director of Malware Intelligence, ESET _______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
