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Well, that's a tall order, how much would they be willing to pay ;-)

we're running a load balancer which sits in front of a number of NT/CF 
machines, and sun/weblogic machines, which all sit in front of an Oracle 
back end.

The biggest problem that we had with the fusebox standard was that JSP 
shouldn't query the db directly, it should be done by beans.  So we came up 
with a new file type called fnd_ files which replace qry_ files.  Here's a 
piece of our documentation...

qry_ files:
obsolete.  JSP does not query the database directly, so these files will no 
longer be used.

fnd_ files:
new file type.  It's like the old qry_ files.  where qry_ files used to run 
select statements, the fnd_ files will use find() method calls to the 
EJB's, "getting" the desired object, in the requested state.

for instance, in gear, there's a query file called 
"qry_availableStylesFromCategory.cfm".  It takes as input 
"category".  Based on that, it runs a select statement that returns all the 
items in that category.

in "fnd_availableStylesFromCategory.jsp", the code would also take as input 
"category".  It would then use "findByCategory()" to get the object with 
all the right items - same function - different paradigm.
I want to submit our complete standards doc to fusebox.org, but can't 
figure out exactly how to do it.  Months ago we wrote to Steve, with a host 
of ideas (Steve, if you're reading this, look for a note from Brian 
Cunningham).  We never received a response.

Has anyone had any luck submitting standards to fusebox.org?  I believe 
that we have successfully ported the paradigm to JSP, and would love to see 
the ideas discussed and agreed upon in the proper forum.

j

At 08:12 AM 8/10/2000 -0400, Joshua White wrote:
>Jeff,
>
>Could you provide me with more information no how the site is set up?  My
>managers are thinking of moving to an all JSP enviroment on solaris.  (No
>ColdFusion?!)  If you can post any sample code, problems, concerns etc. that
>would be great.  I would like to compile a tutorial on how fusebox applies
>to JSP.
>
>Joshua
>
>
>
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>From: !jeff! [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 3:42 PM
>Subject: First JSP Fusebox Site?
>
>
>http://BIGWORDS.com launched a new fuseboxed site this morning, using a JSP
>/ J2EE / CF combo running Weblogic and Cold Fusion on a combination of NT
>and Sun machines.
>
>The site is written completely in FUSEBOX.  It has been for a long time,
>but we just re-launched the site using JSP for a large portion of the site,
>and we used the fusebox standard, with some additional file types which I
>plan to recommend to fusebox.org.
>
>Please don't take this email as spam, i'm not asking any of you to buy
>anything.  I simply wanted to show off a new fusebox site which uses a
>combination of CF and JSP/J2EE, and which (IMHO) fluidly translates the
>concepts of fusebox to JSP/J2EE.
>
>And I'd be happy to hear your feedback, or answer questions.
>
>Jeff Sherwood
>Founder / CIO / Director of Web Site Design
>BIGWORDS.com
>
>
>
>!j!
>
>The mark of mediocrity is searching for the precedent.
>
>!jeff! sherwood     Director of BIGWORDS.com Web Site Design / JEDI
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Well, that's a tall order, how much would they be willing to pay 
;-)<br>
<br>
we're running a load balancer which sits in front of a number of NT/CF
machines, and sun/weblogic machines, which all sit in front of an Oracle
back end.<br>
<br>
The biggest problem that we had with the fusebox standard was that JSP
shouldn't query the db directly, it should be done by beans.&nbsp; So we
came up with a new file type called fnd_ files which replace qry_
files.&nbsp; Here's a piece of our documentation...<b> <br>
<br>

<dl>
<dd>qry_ files:</b> 
<dl>
<dd>obsolete.&nbsp; JSP does not query the database directly, so these
files will no longer be used.<br>
<br>
<b>
</dl>
<dd>fnd_ files:</b> 
<dl>
<dd>new file type.&nbsp; It's like the old qry_ files.&nbsp; where qry_
files used to run select statements, the fnd_ files will use find()
method calls to the EJB's, &quot;getting&quot; the desired object, in the
requested state.<br>
<br>

<dd>for instance, in gear, there's a query file called
&quot;qry_availableStylesFromCategory.cfm&quot;.&nbsp; It takes as input
&quot;category&quot;.&nbsp; Based on that, it runs a select statement
that returns all the items in that category.<br>
<br>

<dd>in &quot;fnd_availableStylesFromCategory.jsp&quot;, the code would
also take as input &quot;category&quot;.&nbsp; It would then use
&quot;findByCategory()&quot; to get the object with all the right items -
same function - different paradigm.
</dl>
</dl>I want to submit our complete standards doc to fusebox.org, but
can't figure out exactly how to do it.&nbsp; Months ago we wrote to
Steve, with a host of ideas (Steve, if you're reading this, look for a
note from Brian Cunningham).&nbsp; We never received a response.<br>
<br>
Has anyone had any luck submitting standards to fusebox.org?&nbsp; I
believe that we have successfully ported the paradigm to JSP, and would
love to see the ideas discussed and agreed upon in the proper 
forum.<br>
<br>
j<br>
<br>
At 08:12 AM 8/10/2000 -0400, Joshua White wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>Jeff,<br>
<br>
Could you provide me with more information no how the site is set
up?&nbsp; My<br>
managers are thinking of moving to an all JSP enviroment on
solaris.&nbsp; (No<br>
ColdFusion?!)&nbsp; If you can post any sample code, problems, concerns
etc. that<br>
would be great.&nbsp; I would like to compile a tutorial on how fusebox
applies<br>
to JSP.<br>
<br>
Joshua <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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From: !jeff!
[<a href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]" eudora="autourl">mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]</a>]<br>
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 3:42 PM<br>
Subject: First JSP Fusebox Site?<br>
<br>
<br>
<a href="http://bigwords.com/" eudora="autourl">http://BIGWORDS.com</a>
launched a new fuseboxed site this morning, using a JSP <br>
/ J2EE / CF combo running Weblogic and Cold Fusion on a combination of NT <br>
and Sun machines.<br>
<br>
The site is written completely in FUSEBOX.&nbsp; It has been for a long time, <br>
but we just re-launched the site using JSP for a large portion of the site, <br>
and we used the fusebox standard, with some additional file types which I <br>
plan to recommend to fusebox.org.<br>
<br>
Please don't take this email as spam, i'm not asking any of you to buy <br>
anything.&nbsp; I simply wanted to show off a new fusebox site which uses a <br>
combination of CF and JSP/J2EE, and which (IMHO) fluidly translates the <br>
concepts of fusebox to JSP/J2EE.<br>
<br>
And I'd be happy to hear your feedback, or answer questions.<br>
<br>
Jeff Sherwood<br>
Founder / CIO / Director of Web Site Design<br>
BIGWORDS.com<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
!j!<br>
<br>
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