Yikes!!!

First I have noticed this syndrome on some lists where people
tend to become so used to regularly asking a question they
wont even bother to do something when someone will invariably
answer a question for them on a list, or web portal whatever.

I have barely posted to this list but I have very carefully followed
this list for over a month and on the weekends when I actually
have time I actually read 90% of the posts here.. and some of
the time a singular message or thread gets a little beaten but
its no reason to get all upset or annoyed, just politely tell people
that the thread has gotten a little overboard and really honestly
I have in my life never seen all but the highest of volume threads
complain about anything but the most off topic posts.
I have watched the Linux Kernel Mailing list tolerate much worse
than something like this.  LKM has more traffic than CF-Talk
FuseBox lists put toghether easily.

It is not baneful or hurting anyone and this is actually on topic
just a little redundant (I still noticed useful information being passed
along throughout, until the last maybe two or three posts which
actually talked about off topic stuff, and I am guilty of posting
one of those) You know, if you take everything to seriously
its bad for your health (for real ;)

Most everyone is always busy working and some people
receive just tons of email, I think everyone knows how that
is.  Random Example: I bet Hal actively participating in
everything that he does gets an extreme amount of mail
and ive watched him patiently explain every single question
that was asked relative to this thread, he even posted something
Funny and a little off topic!! There is just no reason to be
excited okay. It gives this entire list a real negative feeling
when the first few posts I see that are truly off topic are
complained about and asked to cease and desist.

Oh and I never accept anything anyone tells me right away
question everything or your always bound to be a little behind
the other guy ;) Thats how I got into programming in the
first place, one of those "How does this work questions
that shapes your career for the next long while :)"

Jeremy Allen
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-----Original Message-----
From: Brian P. Doyle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Fusebox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 8:37 PM
Subject: RE: Idea? and OT posts


>I've actually become more annoyed at the annoyance of OT posts (if that
>makes any sense).  One of the reasons that I pay much more attention to
this
>list rather than others is that it seems to be more of a community forum
>than a technical mailing list (and I _like_ that).  That means that having
a
>completely OT discussion is a welcome change.
>
>My opinion? Unsubscribe.  If we stop questioning posts and keeping levity
up
>than our community will die.  And I for one don't want that to happen.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Marc Funaro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 7:28 PM
>To: Fusebox
>Subject: RE: Idea?
>
>
><CF_SoapBox AnnoyanceLevel = "rising">
>
>I rarely complain about list topics and postings... god knows I've done my
>share of posting off-topic.  But this stuff is almost enough to make me
>unsubscribe from this list.  Hal's explanation is plenty clear.  And at the
>risk of sounding like a brown-noser, Hal is a recognized authority in this
>field; I trust what he says, and (especially) if you are new to fusebox, so
>should you.  It's just ridiculous to see him placed practically on the
>defensive over something as silly as this, AND it's cluttering up the list.
>Hal, you need not apologize; you were quite clear.
>
>If you REALLY don't understand it, do what we all have to do on a regular
>basis -- build some stupid frickin' pages, and TEST IT YOURSELF until you
>understand it YOUR way.  Then, by all means, offer your own explanation for
>what you find.  Another way of describing something is always welcome...
>just stop hammering the busy gurus (who take their time to help us in just
>about every way, almost to a fault!) with distracting petty nomenclature
and
>description issues.
>
></CFSOAPBOX>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Michael Slatoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 6:56 PM
>To: Fusebox
>Subject: RE: Idea?
>
>
>Are those trading cards local or global? :)
>
>
>At 06:49 PM 10/10/00 -0400, you wrote:
>>Trading cards!
>>
>>"I'll trade you an application and an attributes for a request."
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Michael Slatoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 6:50 PM
>>To: Fusebox
>>Subject: RE: Idea?
>>
>>
>>I think there needs to be a graphical representation of all scoped
>>variables so that everyone can understand. Maybe nice glossy 8 x 10s with
a
>>paragraph on the back of each one.
>>
>>At 06:42 PM 10/10/00 -0400, you wrote:
>> >This is silly. If my language was misleading to anyone, I apologize. I
>try
>> >to be very careful with words. I only meant to indicate, as I've said,
>that
>> >request was UNLIKE client and session variables. We're both saying
>exactly
>> >the same thing. I've said it was like a local variable--only available
to
>> >all files included or called in a single http request. I don't think I
>can
>> >make it any clearer.
>> >
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: Chris Bartley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> >Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 6:21 PM
>> >To: Fusebox
>> >Subject: RE: Idea?
>> >
>> >
>> > >Chris, I'm not trying to be misleading at all. In fact, I'm trying to
>be
>> >the
>> > >opposite. If you look over all the posts I've written on this, I've
>>clearly
>> > >said the request scope is NOT a shared scope (which is why it doesn't
>>need
>> > >to be locked). I was just trying to get the point across that request
>is
>> >NOT
>> > >tied to a single user, unlike client and session.
>> >
>> >Saying that it's not tied to a single user is the misleading part.  A
>>single
>> >HTTP request cannot be shared by more than one user.  Therefore, the
>>request
>> >scope is (by definition) tied to a single user.
>> >
>> >How are you defining "tied"?
>> >
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