Here is a related article about the handheld wireless revolution in Japan.
Perhaps there are seeds of our future over there. That revolution is not
using WAP but a proprietary cHTML technology. Personally I believe the
future is one device, most likely wireless, and certainly as an extension to
one's PC (not a replacement).
Anyone speak Japanese?
http://www.newscientist.com/nl/1021/sayonara.html
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> To: Fusebox
> Subject: Re: Wireless
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> i have to agree with edward.... My guess is that WAP/WML is going to be
> skipped right over and HTML will be used with a bigger screen. Here is
> what i think the future of handheld apps will be (or some spinoff of
> this)
>
> http://www.handspring.com/products/visorphone/index.jhtml
>
> Full PDA and cell phone combined. add a wireless LAN adapter so i can
> have a high speed connection to the web while i'm in my office.... then
> i'm sold!
>
> Steve
>
> Edward Chowdhury wrote:
> >
> > Frankly I think WAP is all hype and no reality. The standard which is
> based
> > on HDML and agreed to by all the major phone manufacturers, has major
> > usability flaws which I will outline below. In addition, there is very
> > little consumer demand for it.
> >
> > >From interactive week, May 29:
> > "What do consumers want? IDC asked mobile-phone users how interested
> they
> > were in Net access using their phones. Just 7 percent said they were
> > uninterested. Unfortunately, 75 percent said they were very
> uninterested.
> > It's a classic case of top-down push marketing, Parr says, a coincidence
> of
> > vendor need; wireless providers trying to scramble up the value chain in
> > order to increase per-subscriber revenue, cover high costs and slow
> churn,
> > with technology prowess, because they can. Service providers want
> > Internet-style growth without the open platforms and commodity pricing
> that
> > fueled it."
> >
> > In Europe, Deutsch Telecom found that it's users used WAP less than once
> per
> > week.
> >
> > Here is what the Wall Street Journal had to say in June, 2000 about the
> WAP
> > experience,"...too often, the experience is one of overloaded servers, a
> few
> > unimaginative services and a few lines of text scrolling slowly up a
> screen
> > halfthe size of a credit card."
> >
> > I mean think about it. You have a one inch square screen with 4 lines of
> > text each line about 12 characters. All typing has to be done using a
> cell
> > phone numeric pad. Do you know how long it takes to type in one's email
> > address let alone a shipping address using a ten digit keypad. Hell,
> there
> > isn't even an @ sign without pressing the 1 key repeatedly and who's
> gonna
> > know to do that. Now ask yourself what ordinary person on the street is
> > going to bother going through the pain of searching amazon for a
> particular
> > title and then ordering it, typing billing address and credit card
> number...
> >
> > I think there are a few extremely limited uses for WAP mostly having to
> do
> > with receiving a small message, (which any email capable cell phone can
> do)
> > and maybe typing in a yes or no answer. Most people don't care about
> > internet on their phone. There also maybe some information junkies that
> need
> > sports scores and stock quotes (again something just regular email to
> your
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] will accomplish). All the applications I've
> seen
> > just aren't compelling unless I'm really bored. You're not going to surf
> the
> > web while you're stuck in a traffic jam.
> >
> > Now let's talk development. Every phone has a different screen size. In
> > addition, every individual manufacturer is responsible for implementing
> WAP.
> > What this leads to is the IE vs Netscape nightmare but 50 times worse
> > because you've got all these different manufacturers all doing their own
> > thing and all adding their own maddening inconsistencies over how the
> > navigation is done.
> >
> > Lastly it's really expensive for the individual. You're paying per
> minute
> > for internet access. In addition, because the connections don't stay
> open
> > all the time while you're surfing, the phone has to keep reattaching the
> > connections. Since cell phone companies charge in one minute increments
> each
> > attempt to connect is an additional minute. So one minute on the
> internet
> > plus 3 connection attempts means you just got charged for 4 minutes.
> Nice
> > little racket they have going don't they.
> >
> > I think as a consultancy if you can charge clueless companies hopping
> onto
> > the great WAP bandwagon go for it. It's like taking candy from a baby. I
> > work for a firm that is not a consulatancy, we have an actual service
> that
> > we sell, playing games by email. We needed a wireless play to get our
> second
> > round of financing. We looked long and hard at WAP and concluded that it
> > isn't there yet, in spite of incredible pressure from the VCs funding
> us.
> > Palms are. Nice screen, easy text entry, good UI. In spite of this I
> don't
> > expect ordinary consumers to use our service. They just don't want it.
> > They'd rather look at people or listen to the radio.
> >
> > I think its impressive that you got porn refreshing on a cell phone.
> > Personally I'd rather buy a playboy.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Sean Renet
> > Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 12:57 PM
> > To: Fusebox
> > Subject: Re: Wireless
> >
> > First of all, this doesn't sound very stateless. It may be good for a
> video
> > game that requires no internet state, but how would your Palm
> architecture
> > handle multiple simultaneous users?
> >
> > Secondly saying "stay away from wap" is the worst advice you are ever
> going
> > to give anyone. That is like saying don't program for Netscape or don't
> > learn Java because it takes too long to code. The fact is, WAP is the
> > second gold rush. The train is leaving with or without you. And yes
> just
> > like HTML you have to program for different browsers. The dream of
> > standardization is exactly that, a dream. I am also very bullish on
> Palm,
> > however I am not going to paint my self into a corner with only one
> wireless
> > solution. Companies with only one solution of anything are going to
> join
> > the pile of dot gones.
> >
> > Last, exactly what tweaking of your servers did you have to reconfigure?
> I
> > have now put up several WAP sites and have yet to reconfigure anything.
> One
> > of the WAP sites was a porn site that required simulated full motion
> video.
> > You can do just about everything in WAP that you can do in HTML save
> killer
> > UI. And once more if you are using coldfusion I am guessing all the
> work is
> > being done server side anyway so repurposing data is just a matter of
> > syntax.
> >
> > Becareful about staying away from new technologies. It is way better to
> > have experience in all technologies, than to wake up one day and realize
> no
> > one likes your betamax. WAP is a no brainer, it is already widely used.
> If
> > you or your company have not invested time into developing for WAP,
> perhaps
> > you should. My last three clients I took over from other CF development
> > corporations because they did not have a wireless solution or they only
> had
> > one. Long ago it was easy to convince a client to use one technology
> over
> > another if that is all you knew. Now clients are much more informed.
> If
> > you say our only wireless solution is Palm and that is what we are going
> to
> > build for you, you are going to have clients that take your scope
> document
> > elsewhere.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Edward Chowdhury" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Fusebox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 9:56 AM
> > Subject: RE: Wireless
> >
> > > Yeah, stay away from WAP. What a bogus thing that is. We're doing
> wireless
> > > gaming and have standardised on Palm.net architecture. Basically you
> have
> > an
> > > HTML browser but you download all the graphics to the palm at the very
> > > beginning using a Hotsync. After this all you do is send the palm an
> html
> > > page referencing the graphics that are already loaded on the palm. The
> > > upshot of this is that you can deliver nice rich looking pages with
> pretty
> > > sophisticated functionality just by sending a "web clipping" that
> contains
> > > text and links to graphics already on the palm. Our pages are about 2k
> > each
> > > which really isn't bad. In addition, any static pages like rules,
> privacy
> > > can also be downloaded just once and then stored using a hotsync along
> > with
> > > the graphics.
> > >
> > > Because you're using HTML you don't have to really tweak your servers
> or
> > > configs like you would with wap, and you can repurpose all your
> current
> > > content.
> > >
> > > ed
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rick Lamb
> > > Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 12:24 PM
> > > To: Fusebox
> > > Subject: Wireless
> > >
> > >
> > > Any of you guys have any recommendations for building cf apps for
> wireless
> > > clients (connecting between 14 and 16 kbps)?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Rick
> > >
> > >
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