Just to chime in on the subject: Fusebox lends itself beautifully to
n-tiering your application, so I do not really see a valid argument from
Dave Watts. The thing that I think Dave and many others seem to forget is
that ColdFusion is an Application Server. The client is a user's browser,
the middle tier is CF, the database is your third tier. You can create more
layers in between CF and the db with things like COM or JavaBeans, but you
can gain the same effect with CF by the creation of Business Logic
CustomTags using the CFML Language. CustomTags in ColdFusion actually run in
their own app space,seperate from your application.
At Weberize, we have created an entire suite of "CFML Objects" that create a
nice 4th tier to our applications. When we build apps using these "objects",
we gain even more client layer/app layer separation. This is a natural
extension of what Fusebox does with it separation of Business Logic and
Display Layer.
As far as integration of Fusebox and Flash, we do it everyday.
My 2 cents worth.
Thanks,
David Sparkman
Application Development Team Leader
Weberize, Inc.
http://www.weberize.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 4:46 PM
To: Fusebox
Subject: Re: Weakness: Too Focused on Application Tier?
Oh yeah, one thing Alan didn't mention was how Fusebox ties in with
Flash... that's client side like Javascript.
I'm still researching this, but even with Flash I think Fusebox will
work fabulous. It just acts as the conduit between the database Server
and Flash. In Flash you can use the actionscript function GetURL() to
obtain data from the server. So this would tie into Fusebox by simply
specifying the correct Fuseaction to call depending on where the user
clicks. Then simply have a file that creates whatever XML packet is
needed in your Flash movie.
Fusebox is definitely not only focused on the App-Server layer.
Steve
Tom Briscoe wrote:
>
> I agree with Lee Borkman. Criticism is a valid part of the discussion
here. I, like many from the sound of things, see the logic and value of
FuseBox. But my own development experience is limited. So I question how
much I want to "marry" the methodology. I've only got so much mental
bandwidth to begin.
>
> Dave Watts' comments in CF-Talk on Fusebox were thoughtful. I thank him
for that. But they've not been analyzed here. I'd like to see if we can
pull some useful ideas from it.
>
> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg03160.html
>
> To quote Mr. Watts:
>
> "Fusebox has some serious flaws, as far as a general-purpose methodology
for
> web development. Fusebox focuses solely on the application server tier,
> ignoring database and client tiers which exist within every application.
It
> focuses on CFML portability, to the exclusion of application partitioning.
I
> suspect that Fusebox will run into problems in the future, as Allaire adds
> object tiers to the development platform."
>
> Or I've got a shorter version for you. I asked the man, "So what do you
think of FuseBox?" when I took the Advanced CF class from him at FigLeaf.
(The training there is quite good, by the way.) He said, "It's too
CF-centric".
>
> Now just what does that mean?
>
> >From what I've read in the CFDJ interview with FigLeaf, they see
ColdFusion as the "glue" between the client and database sides of an
application. So Dave Watts' comments make more sense in that context.
FigLeaf's own methods work to distribute an application's functions to the
most appropriate tier. As you know, there are a lot of things you CAN do in
CF but are much better done with Javascript or stored procedures. That
makes sense.
>
> So does Fusebox "force" or more mildly "predispose" CF developers to solve
problems at the application tier to the exclusion others?
>
> Does Fusebox adapt well or poorly to applications that have heavier client
and/or database side functions? And how are those incorporated into
Fusebox?
>
> Tom Briscoe
> Web Developer, AVP
> Compass Bank
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.compassweb.com/
>
>
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