Thanks to all who replied! Great group here. I sent this slightly edited
inquiry to hal, but perhaps someone could offer an opinion:
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OK. I'm convinced.
So hal, I'm obviously going to be pretty strong in the RDBMS stuff, but will
be a little weak in the CF stuff. I can certainly get myself up to speed
pretty quickly based on the website's "what you should know" recommendations
(simple CF app..connect to a database and display query results). Since I
work in medical research, application security will be key for me. And
in fact I need to be pretty granular with it. Down to the field level in
some cases (views can solve some of this but not all). So what should I
**absolutely know** of CF such that my lack of CF experience doesn't get in
the way? Oh, and BTW, I would consider myself and advanced Delphi
programmer and I use its object oriernted features extensively so I fully
understand the encapsulation, inheritance and reuse stuff you mention in the
fusebox 101 stuff. I also know and use InterBase plenty.
thanks for your time.
rob
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Hal Helms" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Fusebox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 1:45 PM
Subject: RE: Best Pracices with CF and Fusebox course
> I took it. It was FANTASTIC!! ;-)
>
> Seriously, in response to another person asking about it, I asked the
people
> who took the class to write directly to that person. They were kind enough
> to copy me and give me permission to use their quotes. Here they are,
> unedited: (If you'd like to contact the list, it's [EMAIL PROTECTED])
>
> These first ones were taken from feedback after class. We deliberately
don't
> ask for names so that people feel free to be honest.
>
> "I am really impressed with both Hal and Adam's training methods and
skills.
> I got MUCH more than I was hoping for at my level."
>
> "This course kicked ass and took names! It is hands down the best
technical
> training I have ever attended. ...I received enough practical,
immediately
> applicable information to advance my knowledge of ColdFusion development
> ten-fold. Outstanding!"
>
> "You guys rule! This was an absolutely mindblowing tour de force through
> some nasty territory, but I can't remember the last time I felt
invigorated
> after sitting through eight hours of code-talk. Excellent."
>
> "Good job. I really thank you for the attention you paid to our questions
> and areas where we requested more information."
>
> This next set were the ones people copied me on and I have permission to
use
> their names:
>
> From Hank West:
> I took Hal's Best Practices Class Last month. I had already taken
Allaire's
> Advanced CF class but was looking for some help in getting me to the "next
> Level" of CF Development. I had also bought the FuseBox book and was
> looking for help pulling that together.
>
> The class was of well worth the price. Even though there were some
> 20 students in the class it was like getting a private mentor. Both Hal
> and Adam work with every student individually. They go over a lot of
> material (some of which could be a 2-3 day class by itself) but it all
> builds on each other and by the time you are finished with the class you
> have the confidence that you can handle the development of a major CF site
> using multiple developers. They teach CF practices and methodologies that
> solid and well proven.
>
> This class is definitely not a typical Instructor Lecture, do the exercise
> and on to the next topic. It was more of a Knowledge transfer from
> experienced professionals who have "been there and done that".
>
> As a side note, the people who attend the class are also a cut above the
> average CF developer and become valuable resources on down the road. Hal
> maintains a CF Best Practices discussion group so the training is on
> going... beyond the classroom.
>
> //
>
> And this one from Lars Blackmore:
>
> I attended Hal and Adam's BPCF training in Atlanta a while back,, and I
> would recommend it without reservations. I am a one-main in-house CF shop
> for a large non-profit, and I've got more work on my table than I know
what
> to do with. My requests from users are poorly structured, ill-informed,
and
> the planning and implementation of a sound solution is entirely up to me.
My
> back-end support consists of exactly no-one in particular, so I also have
to
> know how to manage the nitty-gritty of a SQL server, tweak IIS to serve up
> my intranet stuff right, and deal with our ISP when our hosted site goes
> kablooey. I've been working with CF for a little over a year, and only now
> am starting to feel in control of the beast.
>
> Enter BPCF.
>
> Not only will you learn what the curriculum tells you will be taught, but
> you will also have unlimited access to two amazing minds and their broad
> knowledge of real world web design. They actually go out of their way to
> ensure that your questions are answered, and their one-on-one work with
> attendees ensures that you leave with all the knowledge you came for. It
> boggles the mind how many of those little "I've always wanted to know if
> there's a smarter way to do..." questions they will be able to answer for
> you.
>
> Most importantly, the course will have a real impact on your productivity.
> I'm still waiting to get around to implementing most of the amazing (but
> simple - and free) tools that were presented to me at the course, but I am
> already cranking out better code faster than ever before. I feel more in
> control of the stuff I'm doing, because I know I'm doing it right this
time
> around - not least the Fusebox of course, which is no trifling matter. And
> if you manage other coders, you will be in a position to ensure a much
> higher level of quality control while working towards a detailed,
realistic
> production plan (I know, I know, this sounds like we were doing drugs and
> hallucinating heavily, but...).
>
> So again, please go. Convince your boss this is the best $2500 he will
ever
> spend on training, because you will actually come back envigorated and
> roaring to code.
>
> Disclaimer: Hal & Adam did not pay me for this feedback - I just happen to
> think they deserve it.
>
> //
>
> From Lisa Wilson:
>
> I am an intermediate level CF programmer who attended the Best Practices
> course in Atlanta in January. I found the course a great experience,
> covering
> SQL, Fusebox and database design. I was already familiar with some areas
of
> the course, so those parts were a good refresher. Other areas were known
but
> unfamiliar, so I got a lot out of that training.
>
> The best part was being with a group of students from all knids of
> businesses who are grappling with some of the same problems. The benefits
> of the course snuck up on me in the weeks after returning home, when I
found
> myself using techniques I had learned almost without conscious thought.
The
> overall experience of creating a website and considering EVERYTHING -
> database design, customer's business requirements, logical application
> structure, application code details - was invaluable.
>
> //
>
> From Rob Seebach:
>
> This class was jammed packed with great information. Hal really makes
> learning these practices very easy. What is very unusual is that the
> academic learning (traditional) is a very small portion of the class. I
> left the class with the knowledge to start programming using Fusebox and
> have implemented it when developing our corporate intranet. Well worth the
> money!!!
>
>
>
> Hal Helms
> Team Allaire
> [ See www.halhelms.com <http://www.halhelms.com> for info on training
> classes ]
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rob Schuff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 2:47 PM
> To: Fusebox
> Subject: Best Pracices with CF and Fusebox course
>
>
> Has anyone taken this course? If so how was the experience? What was
best?
> What could have been better?
>
> thanks
>
> rob
>
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> Robert Schuff Bull Run Software
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Portland, OR USA
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