I don't yet have the choice/desire to make my decisions a philosophical
one...yet at the same time I agree with your points...although I'm not ready
to start picketing in front of their offices, I need to use whatever I can
to get the job done.  :\

Not an exciting response but it's the truth.


-----Original Message-----
From: Philip Isaacs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 9:56 AM
To: Fusebox
Subject: RE: Microsoft - Why is everyone so hate hate?


First off, you have to be kidding if you think I'm supposed to feel bad for
Microsoft? I'm sorry but how could I. They bully competitors, over charge
for their products, offer terrible support for their crap, and on top of
that they are smug about it.

Second, as a professional web developer for some time now, I have examined
many of Microsoft's products, and I would like to official weight in with my
opinion.

I think Microsoft products suck. Their OS is crap. Their database tools are
horrible. (SQL Server is a waste of money), their development tools are
horrible (VSS stinks), and their web server (IIS) is slow and full of
security holes. In fact word is HotMail was hacked yet again yesterday. How
many times is that now? My company had to virtually shut down last week
because of yet another worm that found its way into out system.

I will say that I thought IE was a good browser until the crap they pulled
this week, with "opps -- we accidentally took out Netscape Plugins. Sorry,
no more quicktime". So now I switched back to using Netscape again. Screw
that. I love Quicktime.

The truth is I have been forced into using these products. But they are not
my choice.

At work I use MS because its the company I work for's decision to do so. But
at home I run Red Hat Linux. Because I like having choices. I also love,
love, love the fact that its free. So while others go out and spend money on
software, I'm happily saving mine, and still getting a rock solid, fast,
powerful OS. And that goes for virtual all the software available for it.
Apace, MySQL, PHP, SAMBA, CVS, JAVA and thousands of other tools.

Go ahead give your money to Microsoft.
They certainly act like they appreciate it. Just look how they treat people.

"The greatest power we have as an individual, is with out pocketbooks"

What do others think?

P.Isaacs





-----Original Message-----
From: Stacy Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 9:26 AM
To: Fusebox
Subject: RE: Microsoft - Why is everyone so hate hate?


I like Microsoft's products...I think some of their business ploys are a
little dirty but hey...It's business. We could turn this into a real
philosophical debate but cmon...the only difference we can make as a
consumer is watchout for our best interests.

I will say though that Win2k was their first operating system. Everything
before that was crap. I did tech support for 2 years and sys admin for 3.
Don't even get me started on win95/98. ;-)



-----Original Message-----
From: Neil Clark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 4:18 AM
To: Fusebox
Subject: Microsoft - Why is everyone so hate hate?


(deep breath)

Why is everyone do agro agro about Microsoft? What do the majority of you
guys use?!  I would assume Windows.  MS do what they need to do to survive
in still a very competitive market. Anyone can make software with correct
knowledge and tools - its not as if they are countries using their power to
corrupt other nations is it? <cough cough> ring a bell?

Jeez, look at Apple - they release an already 2 years late OS which you
would have to re-purchase all your software for anyway?!  erm and thats not
underhand? Apple are in teh position they are in for one reason, they didn't
license the OS rights - nail in the coffin right there. Oh and it doesn't
work well - something Windows does, despire the hear 'say - Windows 95/98 I
will give you, they were pants, but NT, 2K are pretty stable - I have never
had to reboot a server in anger.

I suggest you guys take the time out to realise just how much work was put
into making the MS business and maybe take some time out from your bitchin
to read Randell E. Stross's book - The Microsoft Way; it is a fair expose of
the man and the company - I think it will open a lot of eyes.

Maybe the QT thing was deliberate, maybe it wasn't - but there will be a
resolution.

"Open Your minds, be formless."

Neil

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