Can we kill this thread or move it to an appropriate place? Someone answer Rick's webtrends alternative question. :-) Next person that flames someone about this Microsoft thing is going to get a painful electric shock sent to them via their keyboard. :-) dix -----Original Message----- From: Philip Isaacs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 1:10 PM To: Fusebox Subject: RE: Microsoft - Why is everyone so hate hate? Importance: Low Bottom line is I don't want to pay for something that stinks. Do I like to work for free? Yes. Stupid questions, get stupid answers. Grow up. -----Original Message----- From: jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 1:05 PM To: Fusebox Subject: RE: Microsoft - Why is everyone so hate hate? I think you are bitter and just jealous that they make money. IIS has been consistently rated the FASTEST of all available Web servers. Microsoft is not perfect but their tools work, they save time and are the most powerful on the market (ASP Excluded). There is absolutely no OS that is 100% reliable and secure. Your bottom line is you like FREE. Do you work fro free? If so you haven't gotten it yet. If you don't why would you expect others to do it? Jim Nitterauer President Creative Data Concepts Limited, Inc. 3 W. Garden Street Suite 326 Pensacola, FL 32501 850-434-7645 800-607-6168 http://www.creativedata.net -----Original Message----- From: Philip Isaacs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 8:56 AM To: Fusebox Subject: RE: Microsoft - Why is everyone so hate hate? First off, you have to be kidding if you think I'm supposed to feel bad for Microsoft? I'm sorry but how could I. They bully competitors, over charge for their products, offer terrible support for their crap, and on top of that they are smug about it. Second, as a professional web developer for some time now, I have examined many of Microsoft's products, and I would like to official weight in with my opinion. I think Microsoft products suck. Their OS is crap. Their database tools are horrible. (SQL Server is a waste of money), their development tools are horrible (VSS stinks), and their web server (IIS) is slow and full of security holes. In fact word is HotMail was hacked yet again yesterday. How many times is that now? My company had to virtually shut down last week because of yet another worm that found its way into out system. I will say that I thought IE was a good browser until the crap they pulled this week, with "opps -- we accidentally took out Netscape Plugins. Sorry, no more quicktime". So now I switched back to using Netscape again. Screw that. I love Quicktime. The truth is I have been forced into using these products. But they are not my choice. At work I use MS because its the company I work for's decision to do so. But at home I run Red Hat Linux. Because I like having choices. I also love, love, love the fact that its free. So while others go out and spend money on software, I'm happily saving mine, and still getting a rock solid, fast, powerful OS. And that goes for virtual all the software available for it. Apace, MySQL, PHP, SAMBA, CVS, JAVA and thousands of other tools. Go ahead give your money to Microsoft. They certainly act like they appreciate it. Just look how they treat people. "The greatest power we have as an individual, is with out pocketbooks" What do others think? P.Isaacs -----Original Message----- From: Stacy Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 9:26 AM To: Fusebox Subject: RE: Microsoft - Why is everyone so hate hate? I like Microsoft's products...I think some of their business ploys are a little dirty but hey...It's business. We could turn this into a real philosophical debate but cmon...the only difference we can make as a consumer is watchout for our best interests. I will say though that Win2k was their first operating system. Everything before that was crap. I did tech support for 2 years and sys admin for 3. Don't even get me started on win95/98. ;-) -----Original Message----- From: Neil Clark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 4:18 AM To: Fusebox Subject: Microsoft - Why is everyone so hate hate? (deep breath) Why is everyone do agro agro about Microsoft? What do the majority of you guys use?! I would assume Windows. MS do what they need to do to survive in still a very competitive market. Anyone can make software with correct knowledge and tools - its not as if they are countries using their power to corrupt other nations is it? <cough cough> ring a bell? Jeez, look at Apple - they release an already 2 years late OS which you would have to re-purchase all your software for anyway?! erm and thats not underhand? Apple are in teh position they are in for one reason, they didn't license the OS rights - nail in the coffin right there. Oh and it doesn't work well - something Windows does, despire the hear 'say - Windows 95/98 I will give you, they were pants, but NT, 2K are pretty stable - I have never had to reboot a server in anger. I suggest you guys take the time out to realise just how much work was put into making the MS business and maybe take some time out from your bitchin to read Randell E. Stross's book - The Microsoft Way; it is a fair expose of the man and the company - I think it will open a lot of eyes. Maybe the QT thing was deliberate, maybe it wasn't - but there will be a resolution. "Open Your minds, be formless." 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