Our company uses FB and has for many years. It works great for us and we have no plans or reason to change regardless of these leadership issues.
However, it certainly would help perceptions if there was some solid leadership in place and folks who could work together. I'd love to see Sean come back and take the steering wheel or someone similar. Nick From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jason Daiger Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 8:06 PM To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: [fusebox4] Re: [fusebox5] Fusebox / FuseNG Status How do I feel? Honestly I'm rather angry about it. Fusebox and by default FuseNG are solid frameworks used to build maintainable applications. 'It's the app, stupid!' is the catch phrase of choice at the moment and like all buzz words will pass with time. Solid applications built on solid foundations however will not. Fusebox isn't an app any more or less than Model-Glue, ColdBox, Mach-II or any of the other frameworks are apps. Frameworks exists to make it easier for developer's to build better apps and in reality help one be able to say 'it's the app, stupid!' sooner rather than later. At my company, Attendee Interactive, Fusebox has helped us create an application which powers more than 60 new websites per year w/ 2 developers. W/out such a framework as the cornerstone of our system (and by extension our company) I personally don't think we could have achieved this level of success. But unfortunately this type of information isn't shared enough and often gets drowned out by more 'cool stuff' and thus silence is at times interpreted as the tone of the death march . In the end the current issue from an outsider's position is lack of leadership, honesty and professionalism from both TeraTech and Adam. As the 'owners' of the framework TeraTech definitely is lacking in leadership. I have no problem if they use an open source application as a way to sell training and make money. But to make money and not give back to the open source application generating that revenue is not only morally wrong but a bad business decision. For Adam's part, as the lead developer and by extension the co-leader of the framework, his effort didn't match his tongue. I fully understand personal and professional lives often get in the way of contributing more and I do not begrudge anyone, including Adam, for having to step away. However, as a leader, don't stir the pot and make a major decision to fork a framework only to leave a big mess a few weeks later. I have to believe the feelings and reasons which caused Adam to step away where there well before he got on his soap box to the 'whining community' and make the decisions he did. As for the next steps I'm not sure. I wouldn't use the mailing list as a barometer for how much or little the framework is used, nor would I use Hal Helms departure to RoR. I for one have no intent on moving to another framework anytime soon. I'm still interested in helping where I can to keep the framework alive and well. -Jason Daiger Sean Corfield wrote: I've seen a few tweets about Fusebox / FuseNG recently and most of them trace down to Adam Haskell's blog post about the "death" of FuseNG: http://cfrant.blogspot.com/2009/11/fuseng-update.html Peter Farrell picked this up and ran with it: http://maepub.com/fuseng-and-therefore-fusebox-by-default-are-d And of course the father of Fusebox, Hal Helms, just announced his "departure" to Ruby on Rails. The bottom line is that no one is working on the Fusebox/FuseNG framework and that has been the situation for quite a long time (from shortly after I handed Fusebox over to Adam). Activity on these Fusebox mailing lists has definitely dropped off over the last year. If both Fusebox and FuseNG are dead, how do people feel about that? Are Fuseboxers moving to other frameworks or still plugging along with a (possibly customized) earlier version of Fusebox? 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