Hi,

I have a client that steadfastly refuses to look at the wireframes. I still
build them because it forces me to to ask questions that in the past might
have been forgotton or caused assumptions to be made.

Where does that link go ?

After you ask that question for every link on every page you have solved
your problems and thw ireframne is as good a wayt as any to document the
collection of the answers and make sure you don't havbe any missing pages.

Kevin

-----Original Message-----
From: John Farrar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 05 April 2002 14:30
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Wireframes and clients


Yes,

Wireframes are the way to go. Yet, it takes a bit of sales ability to get
the client to wait for the interface. In the end you will have a better
product if you can outline the project without the client being sidetracked
by the container. The variables are the person selling the project and the
person who it is being sold to. It would not be reasonable to loose a job,
just so you could avoid the container until the project functions were
completely outlined. Yet, it would be better for you... and the client to do
full needs discovery and outlining. It is sometimes better to not have a
project that is not defined... because there is no end of attempts to
satisfy the client. If you can get by without contracts that are not
wireframed it is best... but, you in the end have to make the call. After
all, we all need to eat!

John Farrar

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/04/02 11:37PM >>>
Anyone else have an opinion?  ;)
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Steve Nelson
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 2:58 PM
  Subject: Re: Wireframes and clients


  In my opinion that's the only way to do wireframes, but others might
disagree. I tend to use wireframing almost as a sales pitch. I try to spend
no more than a couple hours on a wireframe, usually within the first few
minutes of meeting with the client. Once we're past the hand shaking and
schmoozing and they start explaining what they want their application to do,
I'll usually interrupt them and say: "let me take some structured notes".
(this is when I whip out the laptop with the wireframe tool) After they've
explained something, I'll walk through the wireframe and explain it back to
them. They'll either say "yeah that's it" or "wait, change blah blah blah".
  I NEVER finish a wireframe. I use it for a couple hours to take initial
notes and then I move onto prototypes. My clients prefer seeing the
application's front end than seeing a description of the application's front
end.

  Steve Nelson

  Craig wrote:

    Hey all. I am thinking about using wireframes.  I have 2 big clients,
one of which is a CGI/Unix programmer who is used to doing "fly by the seat
of your pants" programming.  He wants to limit the Analysis and Design phase
and just see some work up and running.  The other client is totally open to
design phase but she is very demanding.  Has anyone had luck with using
wireframes to quickly and efficiently gather requirements?  Please let me
know what you think. Funny thing is, both sites are likely going to be done
using ASP.NET, NOT fusebox or coldfusion. Craig

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