RE: FuseBox Logs: (RE: Web Trends FB)

Thu, 09 May 2002 11:23:34 -0700

Title: FUSEDOC.vtm - Working Version
I also had this problem when I first started coding fusebox applications. I spent a few weeks trying to find ways around it and the solution I ended up with was to turn off IIS logging and write my own custom log application. I call the tag in app_globals and using cffile basically emulate the log file that IIS creates except that I replace index.cfm with the fuseaction being called. The only downfall that I had was that the links didn't work from within webtrends...but whatever - as long as my clients had accurate information on what pages were being called they were happy. I've also been monitoring the sites to see if there was any noticeable slow downs and for the most part it only added about 20ms to the page processing time.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeremy Ridout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 9:24 AM
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Subject: RE: FuseBox Logs: (RE: Web Trends FB)

I had the same problem a few years ago using the original formURL2Attributes tag. The fact of the matter is that IIS logs (at least IIS4) do not record anything after the "index.cfm". If there is a "?" then that information is stored in a different location in the log file. Since the SES urls do not have a ?, IIS ignores that information.
 
This is not a problem with Webtrends, it's an IIS thing. I tried several ways of dealing with this including logging to a database, creating my own log file, etc. But Webtrends then had problems. It became too much of a hassle to try and make my log files into a format that Webtrends could understand. So I gave up.
 
I dislike the idea of making my own usage statistics generator. There just isn't enough time in the day to create all of the different reports that I or my coworkers want/need. Webtrends has built an entire, successful business doing just that... Ill stick with them.
 
I ended up going with a URL that IIS could understand, my URLs are not FB standard (and my site is not yet FB3), but basically, the URL looks like: http://www.acep.org/1,242,0.html. This allows me to pass the page ID and I built a simple parser in the index page to figure out what is going on. IIS is happy, Webtrends is happy. FB is not, but it could be with a little extra effort.
 
Cold Fusion MX changed a few things and offers some exciting new possibilities of expanding this method and Im currently working on an article and tag that will illustrate this.
 
Jeremy
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Dahlstrom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 9:55 AM
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Subject: RE: FuseBox Logs: (RE: Web Trends FB)

I think I was able to get Webtrends to recognize query strings - it's something like a "watch list" or something to that effect.  The crappy thing was that I had to manually add just about every permutation to it in order to make it work. 
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Everland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 10:45 AM
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Subject: RE: FuseBox Logs: (RE: Web Trends FB)

If I was going to turn it off and do that, I may as well let it go and write a parser that will do it for me, that way I have all of that information. The sales and marketing team here love webtrends and I am making our website into fusebox so that the code is easier to manage, now when I deliver them log reports they will ask me why everything goes to this file. It's gonna be a mess.
 

Robert Everland III
Dixon Ticonderoga
Web Developer Extraordinaire

-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Dahlstrom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 10:49 AM
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Subject: RE: FuseBox Logs: (RE: Web Trends FB)

I'm thinking that you could disable the logging from IIS, and just write a log file yourself - to text.  You won't get the image downloads and stuff, but just about everything else you can get.  Then Webtrends can do all the resolution, search engine parsing, etc.  Could work.
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Everland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 10:05 AM
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Subject: RE: FuseBox Logs: (RE: Web Trends FB)

I looked at steve's and it just doesn't report as much as web trends does, if it did I would buy it and use it in a second, but I just can't, I also would be a bit hesitant to put something like that on a high profile site as even microsoft has said that they do not recomend logging to a database as it slows performance. I would really love it if I could get web trends to work right with fusebox, that is the only issue I have with fusebox right now.
 

Robert Everland III
Dixon Ticonderoga
Web Developer Extraordinaire

-----Original Message-----
From: Josh Carrico [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 10:01 AM
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Subject: FuseBox Logs: (RE: Web Trends FB)

Have you seen Steve's FuseBox Logs?
 
Its pretty shweet...
I'm running on a semi-high traffic site receiving aprox. 32000 unique session a month.
Only problem was cutting a record for each click per user, but I did some tweaking to fix that right up. 
I added a log repository to track user footsteps, as well as top page views.
 
Check it out.
 
JOSH CARRICO
-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Dahlstrom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 9:43 AM
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Subject: RE: Web Trends

Hmmm.  I suppose you could write to a text file in the IIS log format if you wanted - you could turn off logging from IIS and just write your own text file.  That would probably work.
-----Original Message-----
From: Gallant, Ron [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 9:25 AM
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Subject: RE: Web Trends

Well my company uses webtrends, we just kinda plug into that. Not a whole lot of options. other then scratching FB3.  Yah right.  lol
 
Thanks
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Dahlstrom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 9:20 AM
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Subject: RE: Web Trends

Nope.  The problem (at least in my case) is that IIS does not log anything past index.cfm, so there's really no way for WebTrends to do anything with it.  What I have done is the following (Michael, this will help you with your long-running requests as well).
 
Create a table with the columns that I want - I use date/time, IP, Request Method, Requested Page, HTTP Status, Time Taken, User Agent, HTTP Referer, and User Cookies, but any CGI variable will work.  This doesn't log any images - just pages, and just those that come from index.cfm (in my case at least, that's all I use).  In that file, the Requested Page is #server_name##path_info##query_string#, and I use getTickCount() to log the request time taken.
-----Original Message-----
From: Gallant, Ron [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 8:04 AM
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Subject: Web Trends

Has anyone found a way to get Web Trends to recognize FB3 pages? I am using SES urls and all web trends is showing is allot of hits to index.cfm.

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