> 
>    Marx required angelic robots for his utopia: The basic
> principle is "from each according to their ability to each according to
> their work". 


In a democratic system with limited resources
this is a natural way of distribution.
No angels required, only the old suspicious and evil 
species we know.


> And finally, the highest stage of the classless society would
> be reached; in which the principle is "from each according to their ability
> to each according to their needs".
> 

If the resources are plentiful, this is a natural way of 
distribution in a democratic system. Again, no angels,
only people who are able to direct their own lives.


> Needless to say, Marx's grand hallucination wound up in the trash can
> because of the human propensity to act human (follow genetic programming).
> Marx should have paid more attention to Hobbes:
> 
>  "... in the first place, I put forth a general inclination of all mankind a
> perpetual and restless desire of power after power, that ceaseth only in
> death." -- Thomas Hobbes
> 

Except when power is shared, and not denied from 
a majority. We only rape and pillage these days, when
society breaks down. So society and social structure
is not to be ignored, if you are keep refering to
genetic programming, as a decisive factor, you ignore
this fact.


> >The Gulags, Cambodia and Fidel Castro have not much to do
> >with the marxian definition, but are a useful history
> >to point us to a future where we know how important is to safeguard
> >all the democratic guarantees.
> 
> "democratic guarantees" reflects your "Rousseauistic belief in human
> perfectibility".  What's changed Eva?  How can "more of the same" yield
> anything other than "more of the same" results?
> 


What changed is that now we have an other historical evidence
- namely, that socialism cannot succeed without democracy,
you cannot supply it by a well-meaning or technocratic
or meritochratic elite - so we won't be perfect, but 
damn suspicious, so any future socialism would include a full
openness and probably overzealous check/guarantees on democracy...

Eva


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