>Ed Weick wrote,
>
>>What's all this say, that we no longer need labor? No. I would say it
means
>>go find yourself something else to do. And that is exactly what people
have
>>done, generation after generation, age after age. The one thing that we
>>intend to discount in the march of technological progress and labor
>>displacement is human ingenuity.
>The short answer to the last question is that there has been tremendous
>catastrophe bundled with the benign "finding something better to do" as you
>put it. The adjustment from "1900 to now" has included depression,
>holocaust, world wars, revolutions, counter-revolutions and famine. Nazis
>and Stalinists alike found what they thought was something better to do
>after being booted out of what they thought were secure jobs.
(cut)
>But I don't want to get sucked into an emotional discussion with
>you, Ed, because I suspect that you are explaining things to me that I
>already know and that I am explaining things to you that you already know.
>
>Our energy would be better spent seeking a richer understanding of what we
>don't know.
I agree, and I would also agree that this has probably been the most brutal
century on record. And I would not quarrel with the notion that advances in
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Eva Durant:
>I thought technology is the most
costly for the capitalists, more so than labour,
this is the reason for the tendecy of the rate of profit
to fall, exploiting labour is more and more expensive.
Last time I looked, labour costs were more significant that other costs.
Traditionally, labour costs have run to some 60% of GDP. The only data I
have at hand is from Canada's Provincial Economic Accounts for 1991. In
these, "Wages, salaries and supplementary labour income" accounts for 57.2%
of the combined GDP of Canada's provinces. All of the items which might be
interpreted as suggesting returns to capital total less than 13%. However,
much would depend on the firm. Some firms rely much more heavily on capital
than others, and replacing old capital with newer and more efficient capital
could be the major cost.
>Women worked in hell-factories and even mines
without any technological link... Women work now,
because to keep the standard of living required
by the social/cultural environment, and due to the
stagnation of wages, now two income is necessary for
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Ditto!!!!! I've been trying unsuccessfully to get off this list for a MONTH
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Hey List operator! You are doing a SHITTY job!!!!!
Post removeable procedures once a month like everyone else does/should!!!!
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>>Ed Weick wrote:
>>[snip]
>>> The fact that women
>>> have been able to enter the labour market in large numbers is at least
>>> partly due to the fact that the amount of time needed for domestic
>>> chores has been greatly diminished.
>
>
>Brad McCormick::
>
>>I know all this is rather superficial hear-say type
>>speculation, but I wonder if two of the big
>>reasons more women are "working" are: (1) it has
>>become socially acceptable, and (2) the husband does
>>not earn enough for the family to live on. Obviously,
>>decrease in the number of children (which is
>>always a concern for the "Dulce et decorum est pro
>>patria mori" set) is an enabling factor, too.
>
>
>I'm sure you're right. Something happened to attitudes in the immediate
>pre- and postwar period which made it all riFrom
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>>Ed Weick:
>
>>I would suggest that the application of intelligence to human affairs
>>becomes stupid when it rests on the notion that people should serve
grander
>>ends and not get on with their lives as they see fit. The greatest
>
>Hi Ed,
>I think that ALL application of "intelligence to human affairs" is to get
>more sex. How could it be otherwise?
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> RIVETS FOR SEX
> by Jay Hanson
>
>Once upon a time there was a spaceship in which "rivets" were
>used for currency. Why rivets? Because on this particular
>spaceship, one could trade rivets for sex! Etc....
It's amazing how quickly a list can deteriorate! No wonder someone is
screaming to get off. But its a good story. Good thing it's about a
spaceship and not the Earth. If it was the Earth, who would come to our
rescue? Mars? Last I heard there's no sex up there. If there ever was, it
died out a long time ago.
Breathless sex or sexless breath? Terrible quandary. Hmmm. But never
underestimate human ingenuity. I'm sure the space travelers solved it by
devising a social hierarchy in which the lower classes pounded in rivets
faster than the upper classes could pull them out.
Ed Weick
