[Eva asked me to post her reply... sorry if we're getting off-topic]
Eva wrote:
> Here we go again, damn tedious. Chris, Marx/Engels's
> theory is perfectly incorporates that selfishness,
> it relies on the eventual realisation by the majority
> of people who are employees, that their best
> interest is to take over the means of production
> democratically. It is pure egoism for Pete's sake,
> nothing to do with altruism/charity/etc, why do
> you think I want it????
> Uptil now there wasn't a strong enough, conscious enough,
> literate enough, democratic enough such takeover,
> because such majority did not exist yet.
... should read "because such _solidarity_ did not exist yet.", IMO.
Wonder if it ever will...
> At the moment it does exist bar its consciousness,
> being bought by some
> temporary security/divided levels of standard of
> living etc. However one crippling economic crisis
> may change that. The more and more obvious bankrupcy
> of ideas by the establishment, and the trend towards
> wars/confrontations more and more injustice,
> the inability to solve the problems of impending
> environmental catastrophies may change that.
Now we know why China and surroundings, South America and Africa are
longing for socialism...
>
> You comfortable people starting to think these uncomfortable
> thoughts would be a good starter...
> ... and no, nobody is after your swimming pool, you may
> keep it if you solved the water-crisis in your locality...
>
> Eva
For the record, I'm not a "comfortable" man (as FWers know well ;-}),
I'm thinking "these uncomfortable thoughts" pretty frequently, and I
don't have a swimming pool (neither literally nor in the figurative
sense).
But I guess that solving the water-crisis pretty much _requires_
to dry out swimming pools, and that's why the ruling swimmingpool-
owners prevent your water revolution from happening.... assisted
by the majority of bathtub-owners who dream of having a swimmingpool
whether their neighbor will dry out or not.
Please don't shoot the messenger, Eva. I'm a committed federalist Green,
and observing the infeasability of socialism doesn't make me a capitalist,
ok?
Chris
