Well, Eva I liked your comments and I agree that for most of us to get out of the system is very difficult. In fact, we have to be de-programmed. In your response to the first quote: I think the real problem is in the mechanics of it. The idea behind all > > economic systems is to provide for the public good; you used the phrase "until the means of productions are owned and > controlled privately", I would assume from the tone that you meant "publicly". Actually, a would append that "all economic systems exist to further the existing power structure rather than the public good. Respectfully Thomas Lunde