At 10:54 AM 2/6/98 -0500, Ed Weick wrote: >David Burnam (much of the original material cut): > >>How does this tie into free trade? I think free, autonomous populations are >>anathema to global, monopoly capitalism. The rhetoric of democracy is used >>only to reinforce the ideology of individualism. It rarely is invoked >>against right wing dictators, for example, who are supportive of consumerism. > >I'm a little unclear of what you mean here. I believe that the rhetoric of >democracy is frequently used against right wing dictators - but whether such >right wing dictators are or are not supportive of consumerism is something >that escapes me. I believe that, in general, they are supportive of their >own interests and the interests of the dominant elite. But consumerism? > Hmmmm. Ok, I'll take a deep breath, and be more precise. Consumerism is probably the wrong word, if you're thinking of Ralph Nader style consumer activism. I was thinking of the ideology of consumption, which then tends to favour policies that enhance the ability of the dominant elite to purchase imported goods over the protection of jobs at home. I don't think you'd disagree with that. >>I think you oversimplify the global economy if all it is to you is the >>ability to get something you want. The issue is not trade, but tariffs. It >>is the right of corporations to export cheap products to any country and >>overwhelm whatever indigenous industry they think will be profitable. It is >>also a means to make sure that the Asian and African nations never rise to >>dominate the West. > >I recognize that the global economy is not there simply to give me what I >want. I know that trade is monopolized, subjected to tariff and non-tariff >barriers, and used as a tool to keep colonial populations in their place. I >wish it were not so, but I have to concede that it is. But is this the >result of a flaw in the concept of free trade or is it a case of people >simply behaving toward one another as they always have? Domestic trade is >also monopolized, subject to barriers and used to keep populations in their >place. Of course, capitalism tends toward monopolies. That's why we have legislation to regulate it. Free trade is a manouevre to get around such legislation, forcing the level of competiton up a notch or ten. It's the same ideology, with many of the same players, but without any controls. But there's a contradiction there. Capitalism contains the seeds of its own distruction, whether carried out on a national or transnational level -- because capitalism is unsustainable without controls, however much individual capitalists may rail against them. Current GATT and MAI negotiations are probably an attempt to do this, but without any global, popular political movement, the result is horribly distorted. > >It would seem that we have never really escaped our reptilian roots. In our >economic and political behavior we are often more reptile than human. >However, this does not mean that we do not also aspire to higher purposes. >The free exchange of goods and services, unhampered by monopolists and >governments, is a higher purpose to which I subscribe. I recognize, alas, >that it is unlikely to happen. But is it unlikely because of a flaw in the >ideal or because of our ability to espouse ideals but promote their corruption? > I assume that all humans are capable of great good and great evil; corruption, like poverty, will always be with us. However much I agree that we must aspire to higher ideals, I don't think aspiration by itself is enough. I do think that social relationships and the structural conditions that result from those relationships will determine the expression of good or evil in a given society. I don't think the people who inhabit societies which descend into genocide or corruption are inherently any different from those which flourish. But political and economic decisions were made in those societies that created the conditions wherein the state of dynamic equilibrium is tipped toward the expression of either development or destructiveness. I think there is great danger in attributing social conditions to the presence or absense of good or bad people. That lets the rest of us off the hook too easily, although it is easy to see why popular culture is encouraged to indulge in this thinking. >By all means, let us close our boundaries to foreign goods and services and >immobilize capital flows. Let us, as some on this list have suggested, >shrink the span of our economies to a radius of a few hundred miles. Let us >do away with national currencies and institute LETS systems. Again, I'm not suggesting closing or opening borders to goods and services. Nor am I advocating doing away with national currencies in favour of LETSystems. Since you brought it up, national currencies are very good at trading on a national or international level. But they are very clumsy at catering to local needs when there is a net outflow of resources from the local to the centre, from poor to rich. The scarcity of national currency reinforces this trend which has always existed ("them what has gets," "the rich get richer," etc are not only proverbial sayings, but reflections of how a scarce-commodity currency works, i.e. without political controls, the structure of money dictates that wealth must flow from poor to rich). The experience of the town of Worgl in Austria during the 30's shows that local currency can create prosperity when global conditions are working against it (for a good description of that process, see Tom Greco's, "New Money for Healthy Communities." 200 Austrian and German towns were on the verge of issuing their own currencies before the Austrian central bank stepped in and killed it. Will we be >happier? Will it end domination by some of the many? Will it do away with >elites knowing what is best for all and insisting on conformance to their >goals? I seriously doubt it. There is a direct relationship between personal control over one's environment and stress. Similarly local control over decision making about the use of resources leads to increased social cohesion, which Wilkinson shows very convincingly is also related to reduced stress and improved health. Indeed he points out that the wealthiest Briton is less healthy than the least wealthy Swede, BECAUSE of the relatively greater gap in incomes in those two countries. The gap itself is a measure of control of resources, and is related to differences in social cohesion, over and above all other mitigating factors, like immigration, for example. Does narrowing the income gap do away with elites? Obviously not. Even the most egalitarian societies have ways of rewarding merit or social class. But it does reduce the amount of coercive power one group has over another. There's no going back on the global economy either, as there was no going back on the industrial revolution. But to say that we should therefore sit back and take whatever damage is meted out to us is like asking the early 19th century workers in the black satanic mills of northern England to quit complaining and be thankful they have a job. But the current (non)system is terribly unstable (no secret there). I have no doubt that some form of viable, centrally administered controls over the global economy (by whom?) will emerge in order to save the international banking and trading system from itself (Tobin tax etc.) But that in itself will not stem the flow of resources out of communities (witness the downloading of responsibilities to municipalities, along with cutbacks in funding in our dear province of Ontario). In order for local communities to survive these conditions, local economies will have to be fostered, nurtured and expanded. Why shouldn't municipalities issue their own currencies, accept local taxes in local and pay for services in same, to save hard won "hard" currency for "imports?" Experience indicates that those which followed that route would prosper indeed. I hope I've made my thinking a little more clear on this. respectfully, David Burman