>D. Byrne wrote:
>>the application of the second law of
>> thermodynamics to biological, ecological and human social systems is
>> rubbish.

Tor Forde wrote:
>Exactly what I am saying!

Tom Walker agreed:
Me three.

Jay Hanson wrote (in response to Brad McCormick's quote from Habermas): 
>This is not science.

One is tempted to say that the Habermas quote is *closer* to science than
Jay's paraphrase of the laws of thermodynamics (1. you can't win, etc.).
Instead, I'll agree that philosophy of science is not science. It is,
however, a condition without which science could not exist. Language is
another such condition. Language is not science. One cannot, however, "do"
science and repudiate language.

It's also clear to me that there is no point arguing with someone who simply
repeats a particular "fact" or "law" as the conclusive answer to every
conceivable question. Science is science. Fundamentalism is fundamentalism.

Regards, 

Tom Walker
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