Jay Hanson wrote:

> 
> "Scientific" knowledge is empirical.  It comes from actual studies
> of the physical systems that control life on Earth.
>   
> In the hierarchy of systems, the physical systems are the most
> important systems.  If they go, there won't be ANY social systems.
> 
> Physical laws are unlike human laws in that they can not be broken.
> Thus, humans either understand and respect these laws -- find a way
> to control BEHAVIOR -- or they WILL pay the penalty.  Period.
> 

The ecology is very important. The old sumers of Mesopotamia went 
because the ecological system they depended on was destroyed, too 
much salt in the soil that produced their food, and the Maya people 
too destroyed their ecological system, from what I have read.

And one day there is no more oil, but there will be many different 
alternatives, and I think some might be better than what we have got 
today. Maybe I am an optimist, but I think there will always be a way 
to improve things. 
 
The physical system tells us what we can not do, but it does not tell 
us what we shall do. That is up to us, and there will always be more 
than one alternative. And people like some changes, don't they?

Tor Forde


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