Thanks to Christoph Reuss for clarifying that democracy in the Scandinavian countries is threatened by EU. Many americans have a lot of illusions about democracy in Europe...it`s not a God -producen entity, but a result of the working class long struggle for socialist ideas. These ideas are today on the defensive by Clinton-like Socialdemocrats clinging to perliamentary power, forgetting about the hard learned lessons of class struggle. Look to Sweden and Denmark to witness the ideological collapse of Socialdemocracy.....! Marx didn`t say anything about democracy being the opiate of the masses! What he said is that bourgeois rule is clouded in ideas of being the best of all worlds...and he tried to demystify this illusion...bringing forward the hopes of the dispossessed working masses....and is hated still today for these ideas! Solidarity John Graversgaard Aarhus Denmark homepage: http://hjem.get2net.dk/graversgaard > Fra: Christoph Reuss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: Victor Milne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Emne: Re: Democracy is the opiate of the masses. > Dato: 25. februar 1999 21:28 > > Victor Milne wrote: > > So far as I know, democracy is working passably well in some countries such > > as the Scandinavian nations and the Netherlands. So maybe Jay's notion of > > democracy is limited to what's found in the USA--and I'll admit that what we > > have in Canada is only modestly better and has been deteriorating. > > Since the Scandinavian nations (except Norway) and the Netherlands are now > in the EU, democracy is 'working' less and less in them. All important > decisions are increasingly "shifted" to Brussels and [thus] the international > big biz. ("The United States of Europe" is the aim, remember.) > Oligarchy with a democratic face (makEUp) is a more elegant way of > "managing the herd animals" than plain sincere scientocracy... > > --Chris > >