Eva:
> At present large densities of people in Japan, Holland,
> etc have high standard of living and falling birth rates.

agreed

> At present population levels are not the cause of rising poverty, 
> but the insane structure of economics and distribution.

Without parasitic imports of food, energy, etc., Japan & Holland couldn't
maintain those populations. What they take from other locales CAUSES
shortages & poverty remotely. Your mention of "distribution" has partial
relevance! 

> If all your scientists are incapable of seeing such an
> evident fact, I don't
> give a damn for their opinion. 

No matter how you slice up an insufficient pie, the slices won't provode
sustanance for 
all humans. 

Steve

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