On Sat, 24 Jul 1999, Keith Hudson wrote:
> For better or for worse, we recreate society much as it was before whenever
> we have passed through technological/economic change. OK, we might well
> lose picturesque customs and metaphors (such as 7 or 70 different names of
> snow -- and it's important for scholarly reasons that records are kept of
> these), but we recreate new ones which are equivalent. In England during
> the last couple of centuries the typical medieval village has entirely
> disappeared and there has been much wailing and nashing of teeth about its
> demise. But in its place today a vigorous and attractive new type of
> village is emerging -- together with modern equivalents of ancient customs.

The above notion that "picturesque customs" come and go, and always did so,
ignores what's fundamentally new in the current process of globalization:
That old local/regional customs are not being replaced by new local/regional
customs, but by GLOBAL "customs" -- by a McDonalds/Coca-Cola mono-"culture"
that is the same everywhere.  What is being lost isn't just "old customs",
but the cultural diversity of this planet.


KH continued on 27-Jul:
> There is a lot of historical confusion here because you are repeatedly
> associating merchants and traders with the military. OK, there's collusion
> sometimes (particularly in the defence industries) but the big lesson of
> human history from post-tribal times onwards shows that merchants (who need
> freedom) and governments (who want to establish control over their
> populations) are basically antagonistic.

I think the U$A is a great example that
- merchants and governments are NOT basically antagonistic
  (just think of the current U$--EU trade wars on bananas and hormone beef,
   or the wars in Iraq, Kosovo etc. etc.)
- merchants do NOT need freedom
  (just think of the most successful merchant in history, Bill Gates,
   and his coercive monopoly that enabled this success in the first place)


> (REH)
> >Keith, if you want to know what you are losing with the
> >death of the languages then consider the following:
> >it ultimately won't effect the outcome because the
> >battle over this is not scientific or economic,
> >(efficiency is cheaper) but political and cultural imperialism.
>
> Yes, I appreciate this, and, yes, nation-state politicians in all countries
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> have tried to stamp out minority languages for the sake of establishing
> firmer control. But they don't always succeed and whether a language
> survives or not is very much more to do with whether it's in the interests
> of the people within the relevant region.

Please don't confuse "nation-state" with "imperialist state".  For the
record:  *Not*  "all countries [or their "nation-state politicians"] have
tried to stamp out minority languages for the sake of establishing firmer
control" -- for example, Switzerland has 4 official languages (and some 20
dialects) and spends a lot of money and efforts to *maintain* this diversity
instead of stamping out the minority languages.  The only thing that will
eventually stamp out this diversity is Globalization, taken to its extreme.
(Example:  The newly privatized Swiss Telecom has excluded the "smallest" of
 the 4 national languages from all phone-books, because it "couldn't afford"
 the additional pages in this language anymore since it was privatized !
 The shareholders are laughing all the way to the bank about this decision.)

Chris



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economic arrangements, by means of treaties such as WTO and NAFTA, in
order to take economic decision-making as far as possible from any
democratic process, and centralize global economic control into the
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