Beethoven's 9th (Ode to Joy) used to sell milk; Dylan's "The Times they are a'changin" used to sell banks; Cocker's 'With a Little Help From My Friends' used to sell Gateway computers etc. etc. ... An idea from Theodore Rozak's 'The Making of the Counter Culture', 1969 Doubledeay, has stuck with me. The system is capable of using everything for its purposes - a reverse alchemy. Having spent 30 years working as a teacher with kids( ranging in age from 4 to 25) and raising 2 of my own, I have some thoughts about this current fw thread. Of late I find myself having little interest in people who talk about problems(viewing from above on high hard ground). I'm much more informed by people who make a difference with a kid (living in the swamp). An example of this kind of 'swamp life' would be Helen Prejean who wrote about her work in 'Dead Man Walking'. It became a 'hit' movie. Exploring what she did, why she did it, and the consequences of her exemplary practice might shed light on our ailing and thus our kids. 'If you save one life, you save the world.' (Talmud) Brian McAndrews