Harry,

Some examples of when and where you have observed free markets please.

arthur

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Bob,

Still catching up with interesting posts I marked.

You say:

" The marketplace has no morality except the survival (that
word!) and self-aggrandizement of the few who own it, and
manipulate it in their own interests.  Period."

Absolutely! However, you are not describing the free market which
is where people freely come together to exchange goods.

And there is the problem. Hardly anyone on this list describes
the free market. They describe something that is manipulated by
the unholy alliance of protectionist business, protectionist
unions, and the politicians who are in their pay.

But, somehow, if we don't have a free market, we have an economy
in which all these grossly corrupt characters disappear. An
amazing blindness!

Of course the free market has no morality. Neither does your car.
It's simply a mechanism to do your wishes, as is a market.

The free market improves the efficiency of production. It doesn't
create a just society. It just allows people to make their own
choices. This I prefer to the controlling and manipulative
fascist, or communist, society that is its alternative. 

What's that? We have capitalistic or socialist societies instead
of those nasty regimes? Look at them. Almost inevitably, present
"moderate" societies drift toward the extremes, getting into more
trouble as they do.

The free market produces a bigger cake. It doesn't ensure a just
division of the cake. The attack on unfair distribution of the
proceeds of the free market must take a different tack. But the
so-called social reformers who lead the attack on free trade and
the free market mostly haven't an inkling of the real problems.
So, it is unlikely that they will solve them.

But, they can have a lot of fun reducing competition for the big
monopolies (and the small ones) so their profits can be bigger.

Harry
 
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From: Robert E. Bowd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Harry,

The marketplace has no morality except the survival (that word!)
and
self-aggrandizement of the few who own it, and manipulate it in
their own
interests.  Period.  I have been thinking about Ed's defensive
apology for
being a 'moralist.'  Why would one be defensive about that basic
human
quality?  What is going on that we even have to question
ourselves on that
front?  Society is badly in need of renewal to fill that gaping
hole in our
personae.  The fundamentalists seem to realize this (and we know
what a pig
in a poke that is), but that is only one narrow, self-interested
fragment of
a broader urge for a more hopeful, better world that is in all of
us.  Give
me a moralist, to a marketeer, any day.

BB

 

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