I've just read part of Scott McClellan's press briefing.  If I understand what he was saying, the people who are being brought out from the shadows will be allowed to stay in the US for a time, three years it would seem, but will then be required to return to their home countries.  They will be paying into Social Security while in the US and it would appear to be the intention that they get SS benefits when they return home provided that there is an agreement on SS with the home country.  There is no SS agreement with Mexico, though McClellan said informal talks have been held.  If there were no agreement, or if there were a problem in tracking the legitimized illegals after they had gone home, whatever they had paid in would stay in.
 
I agree that illegal immigrants would see this as a threat.  It appears to put a time limit on their stay in the US when many would have entered the US with the intention of staying.  It would require employers to hire the legitimatised immigrants only if the job had been turned down by Americans, and it probably would have been turned down because wages offered were too low or because of the nature of the work.  I can see why ever so many illegal immigrants might not want to come out of the shadows. 
 
Ed 
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Ed, I don't think this is about votes at all. I feel that there are a lot of low income Hispanics who view this as a threat, first due to increased competition from immigrants, and second, due to the fact that there will be a lot more police and judicial hassle.
 
What Bush is doing is to find ways to shore up social security without significantly restructuring it. Although I see this as another effort to undermine wages, the US will need to increase the pool of younger workers to support Social Security in the very near future.
 
Bill
 
 
 
On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 10:21:42 -0500 "Ed Weick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
It's all part of a grander vision.  In the US, working for a living is no longer as important as it once was.  Who does it matters less and less.  Crappy jobs can be done by cheap insourced labour, while expensive jobs can be outsourced overseas.  How are ordinary Americans going to make a living?  Why, by being part of Bush's "ownership society"!  They will own the capital and let others do the work.
 
Ed

 
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> What does everyone think:
>
> Is Bush's amnesty program for illegal immigrant workers
> really a way to fill jobs here in the US that no
> American wants, and to provide the immigrant workers
> with rights and a more decent life?
>
> Or is it another way to reduce American labor costs
> by increasing competition from persons who are
> willing to work under worse conditions and for less?
>
> Trade union busting? Or civic union enhancing?
>
> Could Bush actualy be doing something constructive?
>
> What do you think?
>
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