Lawry,
I rely indeed on the Iraq Body Count people who use lots of sources –
I’ve already posted a list of some of them.
The statistical survey report made the point that Iraqis are
particularly concerned with sending their loved ones on with the appropriate
ceremony. This helped to give credence to their interviews. Family deaths are
not forgotten. Thus, reports of such occurrences are likely to be true – and the Iraqi Body Count
also (although they say their count is probably less than actual).
I have no idea where you got the 170,000 from. You say “among
Iraqi experts” the figure is considered “pretty accurate”.
I would like to know where these experts got information from. Did they
all get it from the same place - as they all arrive at the same number? In
which case we’ll have to conclude their guesswork had one source.
This might be statistical survey that was obviously flawed.
Although it isn’t so politically hot, I would suggest you go
along with IBC. I suppose these hundreds, or thousands, killed by the terrorists
– beg pardon, freedom fighters – continue the upward climb of their
figures.
They point out that all these deaths are the responsibility of the US
because they wouldn’t have occurred were it not for the invasion.
Harry
********************************
Henry George School of Social Science
of Los
Angeles
Box
655 Tujunga CA 91042
818 352-4141
********************************
From: Lawrence
de Bivort [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 28,
2005 6:21 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED];
'Darryl and Natalia'; [email protected]
Subject: RE: [Futurework] even
more disturbing stats
Natalia,
I think the death total for Iraqis is now around 170,000, but that is not a per
annum figure. It does I think include Falluja, where the US killed many
civilians. It is the total to date. I don’t know if it includes the
torture deaths of ‘detainees’. We do now know that torture was the
general behavior in all US
run detention facilities, and not limited to Abu Ghraib, but I would like to
think that the number of dead from that is relatively small.
Harry
will no doubt offer some other and far smaller numbers, but he relies on a
source that only adds up deaths reported in a clutch of newspapers and some
hit-or-miss hospital reports, ignoring the reality that most deaths
aren’t ever reported by the media.
Among Iraq experts, the
170,000 figure is considered pretty accurate, though everyone acknowledges that
we’ll never know the precise number.
Lawry
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Harry Pollard
Sent: Wednesday, September 28,
2005 3:28 AM
To: 'Darryl and Natalia';
[email protected]
Subject: RE: [Futurework] even
more disturbing stats
Natalia,
Where on earth did you get the nonsense that the US is causing 100,000 deaths a year in Iraq?
Are we doing better than I thought against the
terrorists?
Perhaps we should do something about Africa,
where a 100,000 deaths or so happen all the time.
Harry
********************************
Henry
George School
of Social Science
of Los
Angeles
Box
655 Tujunga
CA 91042
818 352-4141
********************************
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Darryl and Natalia
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005
3:56 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Futurework] even more
disturbing stats
Guns inside of the US
don't come close to touching the direct effects of US use of guns and other weaponry
abroad. I think that 100,000 deaths per annum in Iraq
should be included in US violent death stats, especially since Iraq is now owned by the US and its multinational
corporations partners.
stats that are far scarier than the local ones of
the Western world.
The uproar of the poor becomes more acute when one thinks about the enormous
cost that the "arms race" presents.
It has been estimated, that in 2000 the world spent
756 billion dollars on arms.
This figure would have been enough to feed for a year,
4 billion poor children (almost the entire population of the earth).
The price of a war tank is enough to build schools for
30 thousand students.
The cost of a jetfighter represents that of 40000
pharmacies.
90 countries are still suffering from the plague of
the antipersonnel
landmines; 20.000 people a year become victims of these landmine
explosions.
Half of the victims of the last fifty years of
conflicts have been children.
It is estimated that in the whole world there are more
than 300.000 child soldiers.
In industrialized countries military expenses are 30
times greater than aid to developing countries.
The average price of a landmine
Production USD 8,00
Deactivation USD 5,000
Modern war's victims are:
34% children
59% civilians
7% Soldiers
*We Were Humans is a personal project of Allysson Lucca
with no profit purpose. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Look at website for excellent graphics version of
Miniature Earth info.
THE MINIATURE EARTH from CD version
If we could turn the population of the earth into a
small community of 100 people, i.e. these are percentages of world population,
keeping the same proportions we have today, it would be something like this:
61 Asians
12 Europeans
14 Americans (from North and South America)
13 Africans
01 Australian (Oceania)
50 women
50 men
10 are homosexuals
33 are Christian (Catholics, Protestants and Orthodox)
18 are Muslims
16 are Hindus
16 are non-religious
6 are Buddhists
11 practice other religions
41 live without basic sanitation
16 live without an improved water
source
6 people own 59% of the entire wealth of the community
13 are hungry or malnourished
14 can't read
only 7 are educated at a secondary level
only 8 have a computer
only 4 have an internet connection
1 adult, aged 15-49, has HIV/AIDS.
Of the village's total annual expenditures of just
over US$ 3,000,000 per year:
US$ 181,000 is spent on weapons and warfare...
US$ 159,000 is spent on education...
US$ 132,000 is spent on health care.
If you keep your food in a refrigerator
and your clothes in a closet
if you have a roof over your head
and have a bed to sleep in
you are richer than 75% of the entire world population.
If you have a bank account
you're one of the 30 wealthiest people in the world.
25 struggle to live on US$ 1.00 per day or less...
47 struggle to live on US$ 2.00 per day or less.
Work with passion
Love without needing to be loved
Appreciate what you have
and do your best for a better world.
The fastest growing section of the population is the
“oldest-olds”; the over eighties. By 2050 there will be 2.2 million
people All mail scanned by NAV
