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Subject: [Ottawadissenters] Fwd: Eating the planet >>> Response to Chris

Dear Chris,
 
As a way of beginning, it would help if you reconsider the research to which I am drawing attention. Then, perhaps, you will have gained more understanding these data.  Once that step has been accomplished, please respond to the science in a time-tested, sensible way.  Simply refute the data in what you call Hopfenberg's pseudo-scientific attempt.
 
The life and work of the great man, HRH Prince El Hassan bin Talal, President of the Club of Rome, deserves your consideration.  He has many published writings and is well-known for a multitude of good works.  The imprecise, shallow way of including him in your denunciation is as unfortunate as it is unjustified.
 
The story-telling of Daniel Quinn is wonderful; but it is not science.  No one I know would make such an assertion.  That statement comes to us out your head, not mine.
 
Hopfenberg is not advocating starvation and inequality.  Such ideas are coming directly out your head, not his.  No one I know would advocate such things as a way of controlling population growth.  Your ideas are pernicious.
 
Hopfenberg's data do appear to indicate that humanity faces serious looming global challenges, ones that are ironically posed by the continuous rapid increase of absolute global human population numbers.  According to these data, there is not likely to be some "magical" leveling-off of global human population growth in this century. 
 
Before I start "shuddering" at what you report or including you as a part of a "dangerous crowd," I would like to learn a bit more about your point of view as well as about what you are doing to save the planet.
 
For the moment I will stop here. Please respond to this email.  Your name is new to me, and I am imagining that you have not received my earlier contributions to this discussion nor read my writings.  If you are interested in my thoughts about Hopfenberg's science and what could be a uniquely human predicament for humanity, please click on the link that follows:
 
 
Sincerely,
 
Steve


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Steve Salmony wrote:
>  According to the unrefuted data from Hopfenberg and Pimentel, what else
> but an even greater global human population explosion is precipitated by
> a more fair and equitable distribution of the world food supply?

The concept of using starvation and inequality as a brake on population is
not only inhumane but also illogical, since reproduction rates are highest
in destitute countries (children as a "substitute" for social insurance).


> PS:  The 5th Earth Day Summit on Human Population occurs this coming
> Thursday.  Russell Hopfenberg, Ph.D. and Jack Alpert, Ph.D. will speak.

Hopfenberg has attempted to provide a (pseudo-)scientific basis for
Daniel Quinn's genocidal nonsense of a gorilla telling humanity how
to abandon civilization ("Ishmael" etc.).  A very dangerous crowd, this.


> In previous years, Professor Raoul Weiler of the Club of Rome ...
> have presented at the event

Weiler worked for the chemical industry and the Club of Rome is presided
by a royal oil sheik.  Clearly the right kind of people to tell us how to
save the planet!  *shudder*

Chris



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