Harry,

At 15:10 24/11/2009 -0800, you wrote:
One of the Classical Political Assumptions is:
"People seek to satisfy their desires with the least exertion."
Seems to fit the makeup of human beings.

Not in our modern economy. People at the top end, already working hard, work even longer hours to raise their status and make themselves even more visible. People in the middle and those towards the bottom end, just like the Luddites of old, resist labour-saving methods in order to justify and retain the jobs that they have.

In hunter-gatherer times 100% of the people worked;
In agricultural times 90% of the people worked
In industrial times 80% of the people worked
In post-industrial times we are rapidly going through the 70%. 60%. 50% markers and are approaching a situation not far off in which only about 30% will be needed to keep the system going -- the rest (if they're lucky enough to have a job) are only doing one another's laundry at present because we have far more people than we need.

We don't much like exertion and try to reduce it as much as possible, so the idea of expanding the total amount of workseems to be a no-no.

The other Classical Assumption is:

Peoples desires are unlimited.

(It was actually Man seeks . . .and Mans desires . . .but Ive politically corrected it.)

With unlimited desires, it seems that if we all worked 24 hours a day we could never satisfy unlimited desires. So finding things to do is no problem. Yet, we have involuntary unemployment.

Perhaps, instead of trying to find work for people, we should concentrate on why they can't find work when there is so much to be done.

Well, the Classical Political Economists knew why, something that seems to be beyond the present generation of neo-Classicals.

Many of the adages of the Classical economists -- division of labour, hidden hand, comparative advantage -- still apply in principle but they were only the money-measured adaptations of the social services that people always did for one another (that is, when they knew one another -- when they knew that, on balance, all effort would be reciprocated in kind one day). Say, Smith, Ricardo etc hadn't the slightest inkling of the increasing automation and computerization coming along.

And we can have little idea of how it's all going to shake out. My own view is that when cheap energy has gone for good and populations have declined enormously (advanced countries' birth rates are already showing the trend) then we'll be back to smaller communities and substantial use of solar power again. The ultimate end of the fantastic explosion of modern research into DNA will be the dawn of DNA-based production methods, and when communities will be trading DNA formulae and not having to haul goods halfway round the world.

Keith


Harry



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-----Original Message-----
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To: RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION
Subject: [Futurework] I like Ike. (sort of): Thomas Jefferson vs. Larry Summers



http://econospeak.blogspot.com/2009/11/i-like-ike-sort-of.html



In a speech he never gave, Ike quoted Thomas Jefferson: "If we can

prevent government from wasting the labors of the people under the

pretense of taking care of them, they must become happy."



Compare with Summers: "It may be desirable to have a given amount of

work shared among more people. But that's not as desirable as

expanding the total amount of work."



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Sandwichman

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