Take it further. Think about all of the various needs people who are anesthetized in their bodies and uncomfortable with conversation, like some people on the internet. What do those kinds of people need robots for? Specific psycho-physical purposes. Video games are a kind of robotics of the virtual type. They seemed excessive but now the surgeons are using them because skills that were blocked by Western education are opened by the games. The best laparoscopic surgeons trained as kids in video games. FM Alexander and Moshe Feldenkrais did such incredible research in the Western human sensorium that when Nicholas Tinbergen got the Nobel for his work with animals Tinbergen gave his Nobel speech about FM Alexander's work with human senses and the nervous system relating to posture. Feldendkrais was a genius physicist who worked in many areas and even designed the Israeli tank currently in use. His work after working with Elsa Gendler and FM Alexander turned developing the human awareness of the nervous system through movement. He showed that various popular methods of teaching children to walk without proper crawling didn't set up various connections for movement and the senses in the brain at the proper time. Some of those problems could be fixed through nervous system therapy but basically they were out of luck for many thing including good vision. Is it any wonder that we are so tolerant of the very pollutants that our ancestors would shun immediately as toxic to life? We are an anesthetized people and that's why we are obese, don't hear well, taste little, have no sense of smell to speak off and most people don't even know what the words Kinesthetic, Kinetic or Haptic mean much less are expert in them.
You guys should get out more. I've found whole groups of websites from the South America and Asia speaking of these things and how they create superior people who don't need a machine for love. I thought in the sixties that mind body would change the world but, like the racism, desensitized, anesthetized drone workers have made a comeback. Even on this list the comments about work are all Drone contract from the 1880s that destroyed the Civil Secular Covenant between immigrant groups that made hope possible. After 1880 it was all social engineering and control of the environment for the benefit of the few and their families. Makes me want to take a bath. REH From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Arthur Cordell Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 9:50 AM To: 'Keith Hudson'; 'RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION' Subject: Re: [Futurework] Automation When I was doing some research on AI some years ago it struck me that the researchers in the field were trying to develop some sort of AI that could be somewhat friendly. As I got to know them I saw that many were rather shy and were more at home with machines than people. Somewhere along the way I came to the conclusion that many were trying to develop friendly predictable software that could take the place of those oh so difficult and hard to control and understand human relationships. The other thing I noticed about AI development was that as each program was introduced, people would say that is OK but it really isn't AI. It seemed that no matter how sophisticated the program, people would say "but that really isn't AI". AI was still something "out there". If it could be developed and marketed it was by definition not AI, yet. Re: robots. We wanted to develop flying machines but we didn't develop giant machines with flapping wings a la birds. We wanted something for a specific function: to fly. And we did. Ditto robotics. Lots and lots of robotic devices that do one or a few things but do them well. Will they ever mimic human beings? Why should they? As long as they do the thing they were designed to do and do it well, over and over again without error. Arthur From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Keith Hudson Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 5:33 AM To: RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION Subject: [Futurework] Automation Here's something that falls well within FW's brief. I have for a long time been extremely sceptical about the dreams of humanoid robots being the next big breakthrough consumer good. The following article confirms this. If these ever happen (which I doubt) they're still decades away. But, having worked in industry for many years and seen the introduction of much automation I've been expecting a great deal more development of automation than has seemed to have happened so far. However, having said that, it's also a fact that the automation of very simple repetitive tasks continues apace and some quite trivial operations can have immense consequences, both in manpower and cost terms but also accidentally. For example, during my lifetime the trivial task of loading and unloading goods on and off ships and other vehicles has been transformed by simple standardized freight containers, reducing dockside manpower at least 100-fold, long distance costs by at least 20-fold but also meaning that, for example, the whole world's need for toothbrushes is now efficiently made and delivered from just one town in China. Fifty years ago when I was building an extension to my house, sand was delivered by two men in a truck who dumped it on the pavement, and then spaded it into my territory -- a two-man, two-hour job. Recently, after moving house and wanting a ton of lawn sand, a truck with one driver came along, and then used his crane to lift a jolly-bag right over my garden wall to a place 30ft away where I wanted it -- a five-minute job, if that. Even if we'll never have androids looking after all of our intimate needs (most of them anyway!), we haven't seen the last of automation yet. The following is in today's Independent. Keith ----- ELECTRIC DREAMS: IS IT THE END FOR ROBOT DEVELOPMENT? Michael Fitzpatrick We were promised a life of leisure thanks to hard-working robots and fiendishly clever cyborgs. But the android fantasy has largely been terminated, argues Michael Fitzpatrick
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