Good points, Lawry.  The Keynesian multiplier, based on the marginal propensity 
to consume, may have made sense during the 1930s when people stuffed money they 
didn't spend immediately under their mattreses, but it makes far less sense 
now.  Money now "saved" in a bank account is either loaned out by the bank or 
used as the reserve against which loans are made.  Perhaps a more appropriate 
concept now would be based on how fast, on average, money moves.  In a full 
employment expanding economy it might move very quickly.  Any money that is put 
into a bank account moves out as loans very quickly and at high interest costs. 
 In a sluggish economy, it may stay in the bank for quite some time, and if it 
is loaned out, it will be at very low interest rates.  Perhaps, instead of 
multiplier rates we should now be thinking of turnover rates.

Ed
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Lawrence de Bivort 
  To: RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION,EDUCATION 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 9:36 AM
  Subject: Re: [Futurework] As spending by wealthy weakens,so does economy -- 
Multiplier effect


  Good morning, everyone.


  Wonderful discussion!



  Thanks for all the comments and thoughts on economic multipliers, Arthur, 
Mike, Ray, Ed, and Keith.  


  From your comments, I can see how the thinking on multipliers covers several 
bases:


  1. The 'number of times' that a chunk of money is passed defines its 
multiplier, its circulation.
  2. Circulation that leaves one's home economic base (goes 'overseas') after 
having been spent 'locally'
  3. Circulation that is diminished as people 'save' a fraction of it before 
passing on the rest (marginal rate of spending, perhaps varying with economic 
demographics)
  4. There may be a difference in the multiplier based on whether that 'first 
dollar' comes from the government (as to the Arts) or not.


  Based on this, I would like to offer several comments about the multiplier 
effect.  Essentially, the multiplier idea is making less and less sense to me.


  A. The best distinction about multipliers seems to me to be the idea that 
money at some point may leave the boundaries of one own group, whether it goes 
'overseas' or out of ones sector of the economy, such as the Arts. But as 
someone who views himself as a member of our species first and as an American 
or a management consultant or foreign policy advisor last, this notion of money 
'leaving' seems strangely limited to me.  The notion of local economies and 
differential well-being of communities is of immense interest to me, but I do 
not take a 'my-group-first' position.  I think that genie is out of the bottle 
and it is better for us as individuals and as members of homo sapiens to 
embrace the larger identity and definition of self-interest that that implies.


  B. Saving a portion of an incoming dollar before passing on the rest:  I can 
see how 'in the old days' this idea had validity. If one took a fraction of 
ones income and stuffed it in the mattress for a rainy day, then in effect that 
fraction was now unavailable for participation in the daily economy of a 
people.  But I don't know if this distinction is a useful one any longer. 
Today's equivalent to stuffing money in a mattress is getting a CD (certificate 
of deposit) or buying a Treasury bill. More tricky forms involve real estate 
purchases, stock purchases, etc. All of these activities are considered 
investment because they specifically involve circulating that 'savings' 
fraction on into the economy, there to earn a ROI for the investor, and equally 
importantly, to provide capital for someone in that economy who can use it.  So 
there is no mattress stuffing going on, nowadays. Perhaps those who buy gold 
now are the remnants of the mattress stuffers?  They are gambling on an 
increase of gold prices for their profits, while sinking their savings into a 
passive accumulation of gold does stop the multiplier effect for the duration 
of the holding.  But without this kind of exception, my guess is that there is 
no savings going on in the sense that I gather Keynes and Kahn might have been 
envisaging.


  C. It seems to me, therefore, that that any dollar spent in any locale and in 
any sector is essentially going to have the same economic effect as any dollar, 
and that no dollar ever stops being moved on. In other words the multiplier is 
essentially infinite, starting in any industry and any sector.  


  D. I would like to introduce an idea that may be somewhat akin to what Keynes 
and Kahn (as I understand it from the comments posted here): Not all dollar 
expenditures have an equal value to society.  In the same way that mattress 
stuffing had little value to an economy, some expenditures have little or no 
social value. I would offer the following activities as candidates for low or 
no social value; gambling, commercial sporting events; ego- and status-driven 
expenditures (e.g. MacMansions); consumer item fads ('pet rocks' being my 
favorite examples); prestige tourism; foods rich in sugars, salt, and fat; etc.


  What do you think?


  I am still hoping that someone might find a citation to a multiplier case 
study so that we can see what definitions, questions, assumptions, and 
methodology were used.


  Cheers,
  Lawry


















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