Ray, when I was a kid in deepest, darkest Saskatchewn many years ago, the 
mainly immigrant farmers view of the land was that it had to be "broken".  
"Breaking the land" was vital to the planting of crops which was vital to 
acquiring wealth and raising families.  People were judged by how much land 
they had under cultivation and how well they farmed it.  Of course, breaking 
the land did not only mean changing it quite radically and making it vulnerable 
to wind and water erosion, it also meant tieing it to the purposes of the 
international economy.  I still remember some of the huge dust storms that blew 
across the landscape or people cursing the land because it had been leached out 
and become unproductive.  I also remember stories about once wealthy farmers 
sinking into poverty because, collectively, they grew far more grain than the 
market would take.  By the late 1940s, droves of young people had left the 
farms and migrated to the cities to find work.

I'm not sure of what the lesson in all of this is, but it may be something like 
by changing nature we in turn become changed, and not necessarily for the 
better.  Or it may mean that dreams can only last for a short time before they 
fade, sometimes into nightmares.  Our prairie wheat economy, fueled mainly by 
importing immigrants from Europe who, like my family, dreamt of having lands of 
their own, lands that they could never have had in Europe, boomed explosively 
for a time but then faded out.  There still is a prairie wheat economy, but the 
role it now plays is a very small shadow of the role it played a century ago.

Whenever I've flown over the Canadian prairies, I've looked down on a rather 
strange landscape and what is left of its farms.  Its roads define what we've 
done to it.  Following our sense of order, they go east and west, north and 
south in very straight lines.  An interesting landscape but very far from being 
a natural one.

Ed

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Ray Harrell 
  To: 'RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION,EDUCATION' 
  Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 10:48 AM
  Subject: Re: [Futurework] Fw: Economists are tricky buggers....


  On the parallel to biological systems.  Interesting how Greenspan says what I 
said here years ago that Laissez Faire was really a method of European forestry 
which has been a bust in American forests and which killed all of the game in 
European forests.    Europe's Lassez Faire forestry methods ended up in simple 
farms and disease ridden domestic animals rather than than keeping using the 
wild systems but with a human time scale that kept the thing going and 
carefully adjusting to natural cycles.      That was the best forestry system 
in the world but even that couldn't combat the global warming and cooling 
brought on by the combination of man and nature that brought the little ice age 
and the death of the Mexican farming systems.    What laissez faire economists  
fail to do is to seriously study natural systems and then to design and improve 
upon them without destroying the integrity of the system.     Today we have 
more of a possibility than ever of understanding these complex systems through 
the use of computers but we still are using the European combination of farm, 
household and wild forest as models for our work.   The don't work.   Simple 
wild growth is cancer not nature.   We are in a cancerous state and the 
homebodies (the people who insist the system is a trinkets and trash 
entertainment household model and not a model built on the management and 
diminution of complexity (such as a classical music virtuosity model is) these 
homebodies, theses simple housewives are advocating letting the patient die or 
survive in a crippled state until they die and then we can start over.  That's 
the model Europe did in WWII where the answer to an old rotting infrastructure 
was a good war and 90 million dead.    Why do we not consider such thinking by 
bankers bank-rupt?

   

  REH

   

  From: [email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ed Weick
  Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 9:51 AM
  To: [email protected]
  Subject: [Futurework] Fw: Economists are tricky buggers....

   

  Yeah but mathamaticians are tricky buggers too.....

   

  From today's Globe and Mail.

   

  Ed


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  Taking Stock
  Economists and their fairy tale world of prognostication
  Canadian mathematician David Orrell offers an interesting view on how this 
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