To quote a historian friend trained at Saint Andrews on hunter/gatherer as a description for people who use the jungle like a garden:
"it is a dumb theory because it does not fit the universal facts, only some half-assed notion of European pre-history." Keith, I've never been to New Guinea. But I know a lot about here. Here prior to 1492, communities and nations claimed land but that's because communities and nations were and are temporary social agreements. They also drafted agreements with other communities and nations and shared responsibility for forest parks and that is also something I know about. I contend you belong to the land and not the reverse. I also contend that England is an idea and not a place, in reality. As I've said before, you need to deal in what is real and define the difference between social contracts and reality. Begin with reality and then work out your social contracts. The last thing I contend is that the English Ideal is so enamored with the idea of class and aristocracy that you will give up England before you will give your aristocrats. Take all of your contracts and put them out in the rain or submit them to a magnetic storm from the sun and watch them disappear. Dealing with what is real is what I would contend is the problem. You have to begin with a reality that everyone will agree is real. REH From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Keith Hudson Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 1:15 AM To: RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION Subject: Re: [Futurework] Not a very positive picture At 00:21 03/10/2010 -0400, REH wrote: Does it take a mathematician to be an economist? Well, when Stanley Jevons first digitized utility he decided that Use = Utility and for him, being useful was pleasure. Go figure. From that we got the ownership society. There always has been an ownership society. Go to Papua New Guinea where there are still some hunter-gatherer tribes, still living largely as they were thousands of years ago. Ask them whether they share their patch of rain-forest environment with the tribe next door. Some tribes live on poles 100 feet in the air because they're afraid of being slaughtered in their sleep by an adjacent tribe. KSH Keith Hudson, Saltford, England
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