Hi, Ray. Mosque practices are pretty much prescribed, for each of the five daily prayers, for the weekly Friday jumma (community prayer and sermon), and for the many religious days and periods of days. For example, yesterday, Muslims observed Yom Kabir (the same day and event observed by Jews, Yom Kippur). The method of observing (a fast) is prescribed in the Muslim sunna (the body of beliefs and practices laid out in the Quran and body of examples associated with the life and sayings of the Prophet Muhammad) in considerable detail. Other than sufis, I don't know of many Islamic religious/liturgical practice that calls for music. However, many mosques hold other non-liturgical, social events in which music is prominent. I wonder if an musical approach along the lines you tried but toward the non-religious side of the mosque might have succeeded.
Muslim religious leaders in the US have been active in reaching out to Christian, Jewish, and other religious groups in the US, especially recently in the face of the massive and deliberate attack upon Islam that has been engineered in the US and Europe. Sometimes these gatherings go beyond sharing knowledge of the various religions with others; sometimes they are organized by people who are seeking to help representatives of various religions to find "common ground" and to minimize the existence of differences. This happens routinely among Muslims, Christians and Jews, but I have also attended such efforts where Native Americans and others were included. It is easier for Christians then Jews, as Christians generally accept Jewish prophets, beliefs and mythology, and it is easier for Muslims than it is for Christians and Jews as Muslims generally accept what are though of as Christian and Jews prophets, beliefs and mythology. Yet the sunna -- the Quran and the guidance derived from the life of Muhammad -- is quite specific on many counts, and calls for an approach to life and God that is is many ways wiser than its predecessor religions, Christianity and Judaism. So where it is both easy and required for Muslims to deeply respect and believe in the teachings of Christian and Jewish prophets, Islam cannot readily be melted down in such a way that it can be said, as some have tried to say, that they are really the same -- three equal siblings among the Abrahamic faiths. Ray, I just about jumped out of my chair when I read your reference to "Original Instructions". Can you say more -- ideally, a lot more -- about this? Also, I have been meaning to ask you for recommendations to books about the Cherokee social and governmental achievements in Oklahoma and elsewhere? Thanks. Cheers, Lawry On Dec 18, 2010, at 12:28 AM, Ray Harrell wrote: > Thanks Lawry, The music part has been confusing to me ever since I tried to > enlist some Mosques in a nationwide “Day of Reconciliation” with a new song > by Ned Rorem. Needless to say it didn’t get off the ground. The > Christians were no more willing either but I couldn’t get any dialogue at all > from the Muslims. Later I was told that their view of the music and mine > were diametrically opposed. That’s what you stated below. Interesting > what our logic does to our remembrance of what Indian People call “The > Original Instructions.” I’ll let both Christians and Islam speak for > themselves on that one. > > > > REH > > > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of de Bivort Lawrence > Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 12:02 PM > To: RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION > Subject: Re: [Futurework] Astonishing architecture > > > > Greetings, everyone, > > > > I have been wanting to share with you some thoughts on the rich exchanges > between Keith and Ray, but found that this note on Qatar impelled me to > reply. Thoughts on the rewarding RAy/Keith exchange, I hope, are to follow. > > > > No, the mullahs are recognizing that many non-Muslims will be coming to Qatar > and they are simply confirming the traditional Arabic hospitality that will > be extended to visitors. Sharia is not "suspended" or even "relaxed" and > will continue to guide/influence the law as it pertains to Qataris. The > World Cup event poses a particular challenge to the mores of any host > country: the advent of tens of thousands of fans who expect to get drunk and > have their way, regardless of those mores. What the mullahs, apparently, are > saying is that they won't expect Qatari law enforcement to exercise the > normal standards in the face of this onslaught. Their motive won't be to > "make a buck" as I take it Der Spiegel is proposing, but to help the Qatari > authorities find the best way of maintaining the best semblance of law and > order possible, given their expectations of the behavior of some fans. > > > > It is important for Europeans and Americans to realize that sharia law is > viewed by Muslims as being the direct expression of god's instructions for > good, respectful and healthy living. It is not viewed as oppressive; rather > it is viewed as the embodiment of justice and social harmony. Muslims > generally feel blessed to have such guidance, and feel sorry for those who > don't have it, or who don't follow it. Thus the "relaxation" of sharia as it > applies to the masses of non-Muslims descending upon Qatar is undoubtedly > viewed sadly as a concession to their nominally unchangeable lack of good > morals and behavior. > > > > Second, the Taliban are not representative of fundamentalist groups in Islam. > They are an ultra-conservative tribal (Pashtun) manifestation that emerged, > surprisingly to many, as a genuine reformist group working against the > corruption and undemocratic ways of Afghanistan's numerous and self-centered > warlords. They have morphed into fighters for national liberation and in so > doing have applied their ultra-conservative social beliefs (e.g. re. women > and education) to areas of Afghanistan in which even when they dominated the > government in the post-USSR period they did not hold sway. The US invasion > and occupation has given the Taliban a nation-wide legitimacy that they never > possessed before, and so doing has left Afghanis with terrible choices -- > support a corrupt, warlord-centric, and anti-democratic Karzai, or support an > ultra-conservative, anti-woman Taliban. The US occupation has left no room > or opportunity for a third moderate, democratic, and pluralistic choice to > emerge. > > > > So, as to music: music is a fundamental cultural aspect of the Arabic and > Muslim worlds. Two million people attended the funeral of one of Egypt's > extraordinary singers, Um Kalthum. If anyone reading this doubts this, please > consider down-loading her "Baid anak" (38 minutes uninterrupted of some of > the most heartfelt and beautiful music you will ever hear) from iTunes. Some > "fundamentalist" groups, including several sufi ones, have music at the heart > of their religious practices. Others, including many salafi groups, do not, > though adherents may have a lot of music in their non-religious lives. And > then, yes, there are some groups that actively avoid music, feeling that it > is a distraction form what is important in life. > > > > Some people, including me and, i think, Ray, view music as a form of harmony, > or a medium through which harmony in society can be sought. And this latter > group of Muslim traditionalists (and certainly not "most" of them) holds the > opposite view: that music distracts, seduces, attracts people away from those > practices and beliefs that are the basis for such harmony. I would love to > sit in on a discussion between advocates of these two opposite perspectives. > > > > In Qatar, music is a standard aspect of cultural life, in the past as it is > today. "The mullahs" are not, as far as I know, opposed to this, and it would > not in any case be considered contrary to sharia. > > > > I hope these notes are of interest. > > > > Cheers, > > Lawry > > > > > > > > On Dec 17, 2010, at 10:34 AM, Keith Hudson wrote: > > > > > You've answered this yourself. The mullahs are agreeing to the soccer event > because it will bring business. However, soccer, like the arts, is an > offpsring of an economy and not a main driver. What the mullahs of Qatar > think of music, I don't know. Most traditional Islamic sects, such as the > Taliban in Afghanistan, regard music as sinful and it's proscribed. Not for > them the great festivals of the Baltic countries when scores of thousands of > people meet for days of singing. > > KSH > > At 09:52 17/12/2010 -0500, you wrote: > > > > Thanks for the pictures Keith. Traditionally we called the ballgamea > sacred act. Its subtext was the little warand it diffused tension between > nations, cities and groups. Still works. How do you justify you > comments about the Arts (and Sports) with what the Mullahs are doing here to > drum up business and replace the declining revenues as oil runs out. South > Korea is doing something similar as well as they invest a billions dollars a > year in culture business through their version of the National Endowment of > the Arts. Of course the Germans call it Heilige Kunst. > > > > REH > > > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Keith Hudson > Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 3:10 AM > To: RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, , EDUCATION > Subject: [Futurework] Astonishing architecture > > > > For quite the most astonishing architectural photographs that I've ever seen, > go to: > http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/0,1518,734621,00.html > This also raises two more points in my mind. The Der Spiegel article mentions > that, apparently, the Qatari mullahs are prepared to relax Sharia law for > those who will be attending the World Soccer Championship in 2022. It may be > seriously suggested to Western politicians and diplomats that soccer might be > a much more effective way to dissolve the tensions that now exist with > Islamic countries. (And what about cricket also?) Secondly, the German > architects of the stadia are putting their faith in solar-cell technology for > the vast amount of energy that will be required. However, see the companion > piece to this for a breakthrough which might be a superior way forward, > perhaps even by 2022. > > Keith > > _______________________________________________ > Futurework mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework
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