Here's a conversation I've been having with an individual some of you know. I didn't get his permission so I'm deleting his name but I thought the conversation was interesting. REH
Interesting read. (below) I think there are many things to be done but not in the structure that you live in or are advocating. Sustainability has to be a responsibility for all life on the planet and the planetary systems including the human. Designing an approach to weather sensitivity and alignment is crucial. You could solve all of the issues you point out and still encounter an astronomical weather change that would make it all impossible. The people's of the amazon had huge populations that were sustainable in the midst of a rain forest. They were doing fine and developed terra preta for the issue of soil sustainability but they could not fight off the viruses brought by one boatload of Spaniards and the entire civilization collapsed. With the Mayans and Hohokum it was the weather. With the Amazonians and much of North America it was microbes. Cities today leave less of a carbon footprint that Frank Lloyd Wright's Usonia or Oklahoma Cities spread out all over the place. We also handle the weather better with the structures and the internal heat. I use less in New York City than my parents did relative to the space they had in Bartlesville, Oklahoma. I believe there has to be a coherent study of all of the structures on the planet and then a way to design a "gardening" method that allows the structure to flourish within all of the parameters while still maintaining and developing the evolution and development of individual consciousness and growth. The development of . responsible freedom, . individual growth, . systems balance, . harmony and happiness . a legacy of leaving the systems as we found them . or even more stable/dynamic. Only then do you have a hope of sustainability without tyranny. I believe the answer to this lies in the development of a serious aesthetic consciousness that understands systems and patterning and consciously enlists the Art of Architecture and the other Arts to make a smaller footprint but a happier people. Needless to say, today's economic footprint with the value being monetary is exactly the wrong answer to these issues in my opinion. Ray Evans Harrell Nuyagi Keetoowah Cherokee [from Oklahoma] New York City, Conductor, Opera Director and Performing Arts Teacher. Subject: RE: Warmer temperatures in the HOLOCENE You wrote: --- From: [email protected] ---To: ........---Subject: RE: Warmer temperatures in the HOLOCENE ---Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 08:18:47 -0500 "Are you claiming there is nothing happening and we should worry or plan to survive it?" XXXXXXXXXXXX RESPONDS -- There are tremendously important things going on that we can "plan" to do something about. Natural climate change is not one of these things. ----------------------------I invite you to read my treatise on the overshoot of carrying capacity that has been developing for 10,000 years as humans have mined and diminished the very resources upon which they are dependent for their sustenance. I wish I had known about "the quinacrine pellet method of nonsurgical permanent female contraception - QS" --- ---------- ----- that appears to offer a very efficacious method of fertility control by individuals who are convinced that this is the right thing to do I have been interested in the relationship between agriculture and population growth since about 1969, and I started writing about the necessity to curb population growth BEFORE the new 'green revolution' crop varieties were released by Norman Borlaug and his compatriots. Borlaug himself opined that the new crop wheat and rice varieties ,being produced by CYMITT in Mexico and the International Rice Research Institute in the Philippines in the early 1970s, were only stop gap measures - and that the necessity to constantly increase food production would never end if global population growth was not halted. I believe that we are now seeing the ramifications of a global 10,000 year old debt crisis (PONZI SCHEME) characterized by the creation of money that supposedly represented actual wealth -- which is the ability to produce food and fibre for the needs of the Earth's human population. This 10,000 year old 'PONZI SCHEME' has incorrectly assumed that environmental services such as soil fertility and other supposedly renewable natural resources were externalities with infinite capacity that need not be accounted for. I have proposed that humanity "overstepped" the long-term sustainable productive capacity of the soils upon which it relies for its sustenance as soon as cultivation agriculture was adopted. My thesis suggests the first and most important resource humans have used non renewably (long before fossil fuel depletion/peak oil) is the arable soil on the planet; soil mining by cultivation agriculture began ~ 10,000 years ago. This is the culmination of my ~ 40 year investigation into the relationship between humans and their supporting ecosystems. If my thesis is correct -- then the 'population bomb', that continues to make natural resource management problematic, exploded a long, long time ago, see: My 'guesstimate' for sustainable human numbers in the 100s of millions, if correct, suggests that the present global population has so far overshot the carrying capacity of its supporting ecosystems that most analyses of the relationship of excessive human numbers to SPECIFIC ASPECTS of environmental damage are simply indulgent academic exercises. There are more people on the planet (and have been for millennia) than it can sustainably support. Many of us have concluded that even TWO CHILD FAMILIES -- that would only slowly stabilize the human population -- are not an adequate response to this problem. We require the VOLUNTARY adoption of NO or ONE CHILD PER FAMILY behavior to orchestrate the population decline that is necessary now, so that ultimately our numbers will be small enough to live OFF RESTORED INTACT ECOSYSTEMS ON THE LAND -------- as opposed to supporting ourselves by DESTROYING THE LAND BY IMPOSING SIMPLIFIED MANUFACTURED ECOSYSTEMS UPON IT.
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