Ray,
You are saying things better than ever ! I especially liked the passage below. At a certain point there is just no place to go and all one can think to say is obscene. Like Kierkegaard said: The population has lost the passion that is necessary for a genuine revolution. The lies just numb your ability to feel. I would only add that the lies just numb your ability to feel or to imagine or to hope. We have created a society of consuming drones who buy hope in the form of lottery tickets and lose themselves in corporate sports. arthur From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ray Harrell Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 2:12 PM To: [email protected]; 'RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION' Subject: Re: [Futurework] nuclear reactor power uprates Harry, you'd do better investing in a Broadway show than in Nuclear Power. Here's some questions from a friend of mine who worked for the Department of defense on top secret underwater mapping and was a management expert at IBM. >From there he went to college teaching and working as a consultant for several big pharmaceutical companies but left when they were speaking of collateral damage on the locals in third world countries where they tested the drugs. At one point he just got fed up with the stories. Now he writes poetry. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYqvVKbRrm8 I . I've heard the story from childhood when the mining companies told us the water was safe and the dust couldn't hurt us unless we worked underground. I'm sure their insurance pools were filled as well. It's a terrible thing when the only thing available to sing in your language is four chord ABA junk and all of the great stuff was created by the dungballs of history. The cultural artifacts around us is the map to our personhood. What kind of people we are and what our dreams and ideals might have been. The thought occurred to me that the difference between Aristocratic government and Capitalism is that the Aristocrats (although having control of life and death over their serfs), trained them and gave them great Art so when they immigrated to America, for a time it was a cultural renaissance here as well. That all changed in the forty six years from 1883 to 1929 . Now Capitalists feel no responsibility for their neighbor and will lie with impunity for a buck. Look at all of this gibberish about warming or cooling as if one was worse than the other and were not an equilibrium of the other. You claim that governments don't do well but the private sector does. Aristocrats were government with responsibility for the country. Capitalists are wealthy privateers with no responsibility except to the market. And that is all about shitting in your living room and it being OK if you get paid or selling the gun to the person who will kill your family. NASA is government and isn't CERN government as well? Aristocratic government funded culture for the whole population through religion and secular performing arts. Privateers fund their culture and let the country go to hell. Why own when you can rent? :>)) Maybe I'd better leave the list. I'm seeing everything as Groundhog day. Repetitive thought syndrome. REH From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Harry Pollard Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 12:27 PM To: 'RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION' Subject: Re: [Futurework] nuclear reactor power uprates They have a mighty amount of money in their insurance pool, Ray, and have paid out hardly any of it. Once the government becomes involved, all kinds of bad decisions are made. In the case of nuclear, a lot of upfront money is required - to be recovered over perhaps 50 years. Perhaps like a hydro-electric dam. Investors weren't prepared to take the risks - particularly as a $2 billion investment could be sitting there earning no return while it went endlessly through the courts. So, they properly held government over a barrel demanding all kinds of special treatment if they were to take the risks. Other than military and research facilities - which you are fond of citing - the record of American nuclear reactors has been excellent. Even the Three Mile Island problem behaved as it was supposed to with little release of radiation.. Meantime we keep extending the life of our ancient reactors, patching them up as necessary, when they should be replaced with modern types. (The new reactors can use those spent fuel rods (now "temporarily" in water tanks) as fuel, draining them of radioactivity.) Then they can be dumped in the Pacific Trench, or perhaps in the rain forests as has been suggested. Or, in above ground permanent storage as some plants have already built - that is, those fed up with governmental failure to come to a decision. But it's better simply to use them as fuel in modern reactors. Neither solar, nor wind are reliable alternatives. Coal, oil, and natural gas are, but they are accompanied by their own health problems. The major foe of nuclear is irrational fear - you have been good at that - and it appears that fear is winning. But that's for our children and their children to suffer from. For us, the lights still come on when we click the switch. Harry ****************************** Henry George School of Los Angeles Box 655 Tujunga CA 91042 (818) 352-4141 ****************************** From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ray Harrell Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 9:10 AM To: [email protected]; 'RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION' Subject: Re: [Futurework] nuclear reactor power uprates As long as they remove the 300 million dollar liability cap and let the private market take responsibility for the whole thing. REH From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Harry Pollard Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 11:47 AM To: 'RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION' Subject: Re: [Futurework] nuclear reactor power uprates No doubt about it. We should replace the aging reactors with new improved plants! Harry ****************************** Henry George School of Los Angeles Box 655 Tujunga CA 91042 (818) 352-4141 ****************************** From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of D and N Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 3:57 PM To: RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION Subject: [Futurework] nuclear reactor power uprates On May 17th, we had the admission just below, then following, the scoop on power uprating--a common disharmonious practice to boost output. Natalia (NaturalNews) The truth has finally come out, as officials from the Tokyo Electric Power Company (TEPCO) now admit that fuel in Reactor 1 of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear complex melted just 16 hours after the devastating earthquake and tsunami hit the area on March 11, 2011. When asked why it took more than two months to reveal this critical information, TEPCO officials claim that a lack of data left the company unaware of the core's true condition until only recently -- and new reports indicate that other meltdowns could soon follow. According to a recent report from The Mainichi Daily News (MDN) in Japan <http://www.naturalnews.com/Japan.html> , TEPCO officials recently announced that, based on new data, water levels in the pressure vessel at Reactor 1 began to drop rapidly within just a few hours after losing power <http://www.naturalnews.com/power.html> at 3:30 pm on March 11. By 7:30 pm, fuel <http://www.naturalnews.com/fuel.html> was fully exposed, and by 9 pm, reactor core temperatures reached an astounding 2,800 degrees Celsius, or 5,072 degrees Fahrenheit. And by 6:50 am the next morning, a full meltdown <http://www.naturalnews.com/meltdown.html> occurred (http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/news... <http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/news/20110516p2a00m0na028000c.html> ). So for all the time that electric power was out in multiple reactors, causing the cooling systems to fail, and during the months after it was widely known that water levels were consistently dropping in Reactor 4 due to leaks, TEPCO played the ignorance card, acting as though it had no idea how serious the situation at the plant actually was. Surely the company must know, even without access to a detailed analysis, that when cooling systems fail and fuel rods become fully exposed, a meltdown is sure to follow -- even regular folks with no background in nuclear <http://www.naturalnews.com/nuclear.html> technology can put two-and-two together to figure that one out. But apparently TEPCO thinks it can keep playing dumb, and that the world will simply believe whatever it says. This new revelation, however, proves that the company is greatly underestimating the fallout from the situation at best, and deliberately hiding the truth at worst. Either way, the situation is far more dire than we have all been led to believe. "[TEPCO] could have assumed that when the loss of power made it impossible to cool down the reactor, it would soon lead to a meltdown of the core," said Hiroaki Koide, professor of nuclear safety engineering at Kyoto University, to MDN. "TEPCO's persistent explanation that the damage to the fuel had been limited turned out to be wrong." And shortly after the announcement about Reactor 1, The Telegraph reported that two more Fukushima <http://www.naturalnews.com/Fukushima.html> reactors may soon suffer a meltdown as well. Efforts to cool fuel in Reactors 2 and 3 have failed, and experts say that if the reactors cores have not already melted, they soon will (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor... <http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/japan/8517861/Japan-meltdown -feared-at-two-more-Fukushima-reactors.html> ). Learn more: <http://www.naturalnews.com/032437_Fukushima_nuclear_meltdown.html#ixzz1PxAz owNR> http://www.naturalnews.com/032437_Fukushima_nuclear_meltdown.html#ixzz1PxAzo wNR U.S. is increasing nuclear power through uprating Turning up the power is a little-publicized way of getting more electricity from existing nuclear plants. But scrutiny is likely to increase in the wake of Japan's nuclear crisis. April 17, 2011 <http://articles.latimes.com/2011/apr/17> |By Alan Zarembo and Ben Welsh, Los Angeles Times The U.S. nuclear industry is turning up the power on old reactors, spurring quiet debate over the safety of pushing aging equipment beyond its original specifications. The little-publicized practice, known as uprating, has expanded the country's nuclear capacity without the financial risks, public anxiety and political obstacles that have halted the construction of new plants for the last 15 years. The power boosts come from more potent fuel rods in the reactor core and, sometimes, more highly enriched uranium. As a result, the nuclear reactions generate more heat, which boils more water into steam to drive the turbines that make electricity. Tiny uprates have long been common. But nuclear watchdogs and the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission's own safety advisory panel have expressed concern over larger boosts - some by up to 20% - that the NRC began approving in 1998. Twenty of the nation's 104 reactors <http://spreadsheets.latimes.com/nuclear-uprates/> have undergone these "extended power uprates." The safety discussions have largely escaped public attention, but they could become more prominent as the Japanese nuclear crisis focuses more scrutiny on U.S. reactors. In an uprated reactor, more neutrons bombard the core, increasing stress on its steel shell. Core temperatures are higher, lengthening the time to cool it during a shutdown. Water and steam flow at higher pressures, increasing corrosion of pipes, valves and other parts. "This trend is, in principle, detrimental to the stability characteristics of the reactor, inasmuch as it increases the probability of instability events and increases the severity of such events, if they were to occur," the Advisory Committee on Reactor Safeguards, which is mandated by Congress to advise the NRC, has warned <http://documents.latimes.com/background-on-nuclear-uprating/#document/p131/ a14451> . Still, the committee has endorsed uprates, based on assurances that any increased risk falls within federal safety standards and is countered by additional safety measures such as plant modifications and more frequent inspections. "You can always make a plant safer," said William Shack, a materials engineer and member of the safety committee. "The question is, when do I say I've made it safe enough?" Computer models used to analyze risk suggest that a properly uprated reactor is no more vulnerable than one operating at its original capacity. But critics of uprates point out that such analyses may fail to account for unforeseen accident scenarios. "It's beyond the wit of mankind to identify all challenges to a nuclear plant," said John Large, a former researcher for the British atomic energy agency who runs a consulting company in London specializing in nuclear safety. A case in point involved three uprated reactors in Illinois. In 2002, both reactors at the Quad Cities Nuclear Plant were restarted after having their capacity boosted by 17.8%. Pipes began to shake, and cracks formed in a steam separator, which removes moisture from the steam before it enters the turbines. In one case, a 9-by-6-inch metal chunk broke off and disappeared. Similar problems were discovered at the Dresden Nuclear Power Plant, about 60 miles southwest of Chicago, which had undergone a 17% uprate. Broken parts were replaced, but the problem continued. Exelon Corp., which owns the three plants, and the NRC were mystified. "The greatest concern is loose parts that you can't find," John Sieber, a nuclear engineer on the NRC advisory committee, said during a 2004 meeting <http://documents.latimes.com/background-on-nuclear-uprating/#document/p14/a 14453> . "Are they in the bottom of the reactor vessel? .... Is it floating around where it can damage internal parts of the core?" Eventually the problem was uncovered: acoustic waves caused by the geometry of the steam pipes. The pipes were acting like a musical instrument. Their geometry was modified to "detune" them. Plans to boost the power by 14.3% at three reactors in Athens, Ala., and 12.9% at a plant in Monticello, Minn., have been held up, in part, by NRC concerns over the steam separators. Nuclear industry officials and regulators say that safety calculations are conservative and that even the biggest uprates fall far short of the power loads the reactors could actually handle. Craig Nesbit, an Exelon spokesman, said that uprates "do not cut into the safety margins of these plants." He and other industry officials note that uprates often require replacing turbines, transformers and other major equipment to accommodate higher water and steam flows. But some things do not change, including the suppression pool, which is designed to soak up heat from the reactor core during some kinds of accidents, and the heat removal pumps, which deliver water from the pool into the core to prevent the fuel from melting down. David Lochbaum, a nuclear engineer with the environmental group Union of Concerned Scientists, has argued that in some uprated reactors the pool may be too small and could become so hot that its contents could begin to vaporize, causing the pumps to lose suction. But factoring in the pressure buildup "represents a decrease in the safety margin available to deal with a phenomenon subject to large uncertainties," the agency's safety advisory committee wrote in a March 18, 2009, letter to the agency <http://documents.latimes.com/background-on-nuclear-uprating/#document/p122/ a14452> . Forcing regulators to show that the safety system would work without the pressure buildup would offer an extra layer of protection against "potential melting of the core," the letter said. The alternative would be requiring plant modifications so costly that companies say it would no longer make economic sense to uprate. For the U.S. nuclear industry, which supplies a fifth of the nation's electricity, uprating is attractive because it is one of the cheapest ways to add power to the grid. The 1979 partial meltdown at Three Mile Island eroded public confidence in nuclear power. Construction proceeded on many reactors that had already been approved - the last one went into operation in 1996 - but the industry was forced to look for ways to get more out of existing plants. The biggest gains have been achieved by running reactors more efficiently - less downtime for fuel changes, for example. But uprates have played an important role, adding the equivalent output of nearly five average-sized reactors since 1996. Regulators say they expect to approve boosts totaling 3 1/2 more reactors over the next four years. Exelon, the nation's top nuclear provider, plans to spend $3.65 billion on power boosts equivalent to one new nuclear reactor over the next eight years, according to its filings for investors. "They would come at half the cost of a new plant and with less risk because of the opportunity to defer expansion if power prices do not support it," its annual report says. [email protected] [email protected]
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