I'd say it's the same up here, Ray. They haven't accepted the concept for of years because individual property, even if realized by demeaning drudgery, is considered best for society.

In addition to food, shelter, energy and super-grid access as basic human rights, I should have included water, right to enjoy natural environments round one's dwelling and public domain, education through to and including post secondary, medical/alternative health coverage, legal aid for every level of the justice system, right to privacy, right to transparent and responsible government, right to live in a toxin-free, nuclear/WMD -free Earth, etc.

Doesn't matter what they call you unless you live for the votes or respect of people who are insentient, who have no idea how past and present systems have resulted in dependencies, and who have no sense of math where it pertains to future global needs.

It's because the first few of these basic rights were a constant condition of early life that cultures were at all able to (individually and collectively, over time) develop the subsequent benefits.

Welfare should be in place for the needy. I love the last fraudster witch-hunt that they performed in Florida recently. They spent millions to find only a handful of fraudsters worth $50,000. They did the same in Ontario a decade back, after it was discovered that a minor bureaucrat had amassed about $2 million for himself.

But welfare state is not what is envisioned within an emerging renewable energy system--a society that will explode with meaningful jobs. Where people would be loath to visit an early grave after slogging it in the coal mines, the uranium pit, the nuke plant, or the gas fields, we'd have an inspired workforce of healthy, freshly educated people meaningfully participating in a collective present and future.

BTW, did you hear about the nuclear waste storage facility accident in France yesterday? No leaks, just an explosion, killing one and injuring four. If the site had undergone the stress tests currently checking the 58 French reactors, they could have had a serious leak.

Natalia

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-09-13/france-urged-to-toughen-nuclear-stress-tests-after-accident.html <http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-09-13/france-urged-to-toughen-nuclear-stress-tests-after-accident.html>

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Fusion Treatment

This is the first time a "drama on this scale" occurred at the site, according to Socodei, the EDF unit that operates the facility. Socodei said the explosion was in a building housing a furnace where metallic waste is treated by fusion. An investigation will be carried out. "There is no risk of leaks to come," EDF said in a later statement.

A fire in a furnace at the Centraco site was brought under control at 1:06 p.m. local time yesterday, leaving one of the injured in critical condition from burns, according statements from Socodei and the atomic regulator.

The furnace, which began operations in 1999, melts and compresses low-level radioactive metals and was one of two at the site, according to the utility. Both have been stopped.

"There was no radioactive leakage outside the installation," the French nuclear safety authority, known as ASN, said in a statement on its website.

Fuel Processing

EDF, along with France's Areva SA, the world's biggest supplier of nuclear fuel and services, and the research organization CEA have until Sept. 15 to submit reports on the ability of their sites to deal with disasters.

Environment Minister Nathalie Kosciusko-Morizet said she would visit the site.

Nearby populations weren't advised to take any specific measures such as staying indoors or being evacuated, Trivi said. The person who died in the explosion was an employee of Socodei.

At a nearby treatment plant, the Marcoule facility, installations treat higher-level spent fuel from EDF's reactors, according to the ASN annual report.

Socodei is aiming to expand operations because of the need to treat increasing amounts of waste from reactors, according to the report. The ASN watchdog called in the head of Centraco in November 2008 to discuss safety "gaps" and progress was noted at the end of last year in improving the situation, the document states.

--With assistance from Helene Fouquet in Paris and Stephen Cunningham in London. Editor: Aaron Sheldrick

To contact the reporter on this story: Tara Patel in Paris at [email protected]


On 9/13/2011 6:00 AM, Ray Harrell wrote:

Down here Natalia they would call you a welfare mom and Libertarians would use you as the bogeywoman for their children. They won't even discuss these issues.

REH

*From:*[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *D and N
*Sent:* Monday, September 12, 2011 3:28 PM
*To:* RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION
*Subject:* [Futurework] Are most jobs obsolete?

If food and shelter are to be considered human rights, I think that within a shelter's function, energy to operate it should be included, and an internet super-grid connection by which to both receive and send out info and energy. This could have had a much broader scope, but is very interesting.

Natalia

In part, from:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/09/07/rushkoff.jobs.obsolete/index.html

*David Rushkoff, CNN - I am afraid to even ask this, but since when is unemployment really a problem? I understand we all want paychecks -- or at least money. We want food, shelter, clothing, and all the things that money buys us. But do we all really want jobs?

We're living in an economy where productivity is no longer the goal, employment is. That's because, on a very fundamental level, we have pretty much everything we need. America is productive enough that it could probably shelter, feed, educate, and even provide health care for its entire population with just a fraction of us actually working.

According to the U.N. Food and Agriculture Organization, there is enough food produced to provide everyone in the world with 2,720 kilocalories per person per day. And that's even after America disposes of thousands of tons of crop and dairy just to keep market prices high. Meanwhile, American banks overloaded with foreclosed properties are demolishing vacant dwellings Video to get the empty houses off their books.

Our problem is not that we don't have enough stuff -- it's that we don't have enough ways for people to work and prove that they deserve this stuff.

Jobs, as such, are a relatively new concept. People may have always worked, but until the advent of the corporation in the early Renaissance, most people just worked for themselves. They made shoes, plucked chickens, or created value in some way for other people, who then traded or paid for those goods and services. By the late Middle Ages, most of Europe was thriving under this arrangement.

The only ones losing wealth were the aristocracy, who depended on their titles to extract money from those who worked. And so they invented the chartered monopoly. By law, small businesses in most major industries were shut down and people had to work for officially sanctioned corporations instead. From then on, for most of us, working came to mean getting a "job."

The Industrial Age was largely about making those jobs as menial and unskilled as possible. Technologies such as the assembly line were less important for making production faster than for making it cheaper, and laborers more replaceable. Now that we're in the digital age, we're using technology the same way: to increase efficiency, lay off more people, and increase corporate profits.

While this is certainly bad for workers and unions, I have to wonder just how truly bad is it for people. Isn't this what all this technology was for in the first place? The question we have to begin to ask ourselves is not how do we employ all the people who are rendered obsolete by technology, but how can we organize a society around something other than employment? Might the spirit of enterprise we currently associate with "career" be shifted to something entirely more collaborative, purposeful, and even meaningful?

Instead, we are attempting to use the logic of a scarce marketplace to negotiate things that are actually in abundance. What we lack is not employment, but a way of fairly distributing the bounty we have generated through our technologies, and a way of creating meaning in a world that has already produced far too much stuff.

The communist answer to this question was just to distribute everything evenly. But that sapped motivation and never quite worked as advertised. The opposite, libertarian answer (and the way we seem to be going right now) would be to let those who can't capitalize on the bounty simply suffer. Cut social services along with their jobs, and hope they fade into the distance.

But there might still be another possibility -- something we couldn't really imagine for ourselves until the digital era. As a pioneer of virtual reality, Jaron Lanier, recently pointed out, we no longer need to make stuff in order to make money. We can instead exchange information-based products.

We start by accepting that food and shelter are basic human rights. The work we do -- the value we create -- is for the rest of what we want: the stuff that makes life fun, meaningful, and purposeful.

This sort of work isn't so much employment as it is creative activity. Unlike Industrial Age employment, digital production can be done from the home, independently, and even in a peer-to-peer fashion without going through big corporations. We can make games for each other, write books, solve problems, educate and inspire one another -- all through bits instead of stuff. And we can pay one another using the same money we use to buy real stuff.

For the time being, as we contend with what appears to be a global economic slowdown by destroying food and demolishing homes, we might want to stop thinking about jobs as the main aspect of our lives that we want to save. They may be a means, but they are not the ends. *



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