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see also. From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ed Weick Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 6:20 AM To: RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION Subject: Re: [Futurework] FW: Tribes? I'd have to do some research, but we know that Hitler first became a major political figure during the Weimar Republic phase of German history, about 1918 to 1933. It was a time of war reparation payments by Germany, of political and economic instability, and of hyperinflation. German banks and other powerful institutions would not have liked paying reparations nor extreme inflation and would have supported someone who could provide a measure of stability. Hitler, who had been building his power base throughout much of the 1920's appeared to be able to do that by the early 1930's. It's likely that he had the support of the banks and other powerful corporate interests at the time. And of course corporate interests and banks would have benefited enormously as Germany became a powerful war machine during the 1930's. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: D <mailto:[email protected]> & N To: RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION,EDUCATION <mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 7:29 PM Subject: Re: [Futurework] FW: Tribes? In light of the recent "Truthout" article sent by Ed (What Happened to Canada?) coupled with the article <http://www.truthout.org/scary-danger-meat-even-those-who-dont-eat-it/132837 3353> "The Scary Danger of Meat (Even for Those Who Don't Eat It)", I have to wonder who it was that was pulling Hitler's strings. It really makes little sense that someone beginning a career from the point Hitler began (and in the military) that he could rise to the position of power he did without an external aid of financial and power backing; perhaps even implantation of ideas. We have seen Obama as a puppet and although I consider Harper to be a lapdog, I quite certain he too is just a pawn of someone or something much more insanely powerful than he wishes he could be. So, any ideason which bankers were doing what back then? D. On 04/02/2012 12:02 PM, Ray Harrell wrote: My source is Michael H. Kater and the Twisted Muse, Musicians and Their Music in the Third Reich; Oxford Press. 1997 pgs. 3-14. He's written a second excellent book called "Composers of the Nazi Era, Eight Portraits"; Oxford, 2000. These are just two of several stereotype breaking books about this time that throw a more revealing [and disturbing for the present] light on this time in history. I would also offer Father Leo F. Lefebure's "Revelation, The Religions, and Violence" Orbis, 2000, pgs. 10-13, for a look at the "justification" that I drew attention to. Lefebure is quite blunt about it. There are things that are said and affects that come from what are done. American Indians are experts in having benign theories put forward about the cause and effect of things as we watched our property stolen, our children murdered and our culture dispersed. The cause was economic but you find almost none of that in the writings. Rarely are Americans as direct as Senator Dawes [see below] or Ron Paul. Usually they cover their venal duplicity up with words. The issue is one of simple truth as all of the stories come to light as we get distance from the events. It's true that the Wehrmacht formed a structural basis for what was essentially a military doctrine. But I would argue that no Jews were going to be in that military. Kater hints at and I smell the old positivist professional pattern of supporting one group over another - breaking the original social contracts that make diverse societies possible. Hitler's group got the jobs that were given up by Jewish musicians, Intellectuals etc. [A good book on this is Donald Schön's chapter two in "The Reflective Practitioner." Schön both documents the fall of Technical Rationality in Positivist thought and the history that led to the professional hierarchy in government and schools that still exists on this list.] In the section of the first chapter of the Twisted Muse entitled "music, economics and political opportunism" Kater makes the point that the Jews were not replaced with idiots or incompetents and that even Hitler didn't tolerate opportunistic dilettantes who tried to use him to further their drivel through a dedication of their efforts. (Pgs 12-13) Kater is not doing a political tract but a work of history in a specialty. He more than makes the point that the stereotypes of the Reich are just that. But seeing things as they are [and not simply as they were justified] is the work of history. I find the pursuit of the truth of things to be the best way for me to understand how things got the way they are. And my lack of a comfortable retirement at seventy guarantees that an advancing rigidity will do nothing but make my family incapable of supporting ourselves in a rapidly changing environment. I'm constantly running into Russians from the Soviet Union who poke holes in the Western propaganda about the "fat, stupid women" of the Soviet Union as well as their musicians. Can one imagine Anna Netrebko in all of that? How about the complete flood of great and beautiful opera singers taking American jobs at our Metropolitan Opera? With all of the Madison Avenue and Right Wing tripe about the inferiority of Communist anythings how can we justify Valery Gergiev? A gift of a God they don't believe in because they are "scientists?" I am told that the billionaire Koch brothers of Koch Industries self identify as "men of science." If we don't know how we got here with an accurate history then how can we know who we are and what our purpose is? Kater makes the point that Hitler's build up was forbidden by the earlier treaties from WWI. Eventually he ignored them but for some time he hid them under various pretenses. Much as he hid the convenience of getting rid of competitors until the Allied armies marched into the camps. It is not generally known that America's mega-highway system was developed by an Army General President Ike who wanted roads that tanks could move through quickly. There are highway sections in New York above the George Washington Bridge, that are many feet thick for that very reason. Of course the private sector benefitted from all of these as it always does and it usually figures out a way to take credit for it with an "official story." But thanks for the comment. I agree about your comment about the purpose of the Wehrmacht. The Wehrmacht was his church and his instrument of change. But the underlying principles were economic. I don't agree about the effect of the loss of a highly skilled minority who had taken a large portion of professional jobs and whose affect had circumvented many of the typical cultural ploys that make cultures able to lie to themselves. The Vienna Circle was outrageous in their aggressive and even hostile language about intellectual pursuits and science and I would add, for political and economic purposes in the academies of the day. There is always the psychological response of "reaction formation" to such things. Not unlike the books on treason put out by American political operatives today. Such language is so hostile that it makes the murder of the leader of the Vienna Circle not seem so surprising. That root of violent language was exercised in scientific circles for personal gain prior to WWII. Before that it was Catholic Church paranoia about protestants and pagans. The same thing is happening today. If you look at each specific you can explain them away. The murdered Guard at the Holocaust museum. The dead children who were killed performing the Broadway show "Annie" in a liberal church in Knoxville Tennessee. Congress woman Gabby Gifford in Arizona, etc., etc. But if you feel the whole of things there is something that lies beneath it all. I would say this uncivilized response is basically self interest and more than ever personal profit. I've quoted this so often I would think the list would have it memorized. After they wrote this they banned our religion for 95 years. No longer making a complaint. Just pointing out a pattern. In the European Union today the garbage is about the Romany. Tomorrow it will be someone else but it will always be "for profit." "Nothing personal, just business." REH The head chief told us that there was not a family in that whole nation that had not a home of its own. There was not a pauper in that nation, and the nation did not owe a dollar. It built its own capitol, in which we had this examination, and it built its schools and its hospitals. Yet the defect of the system was apparent. They have got as far as they can go, because they own their land in common. It is Henry Georges system, and under that there is no enterprise to make your home any better than that of your neighbors. There is no selfishness, which is at the bottom of civilization. Till this people will consent to give up their lands, and divide them among their citizens so that each can own the land he cultivates, they will not make much more progress. (36) (36) 1900, pp. 25-32; Lake Mohonk Conference, Report, 1904, pp 5-6; Department of the Interior, Annual Report, 1900, pp. 655-735. From: Keith Hudson [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 5:24 AM To: RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION; Ray Harrell Subject: Re: [Futurework] Tribes? At 08:28 04/02/2012, REH wrote: I didn't like the Bell Curve much. It didn't make educational sense to me. At present I'm reviewing the Reflective Practitioner Books for my class at JTS and a new book on Walter Benjamin and Aesthetics by S. Brent Plate. I'm also finding the economic basis for so much that has gone wrong including the genocides. I don't find society interesting these days. Today seems very dangerous along those lines. Hitler achieved full employment by taking out the Jews. Keith replies: Not so. He took out the Jews all right, but this had nothing to do with full employment. The latter was achieved by massive armaments production and building large-scale infrastructure (autobahns, etc) paid for by the printing of as many Reichsmarks as necessary by a pliable central banker, Hjalmar Schacht. (He was acquitted at the Nuremberg Trials instead of being hanged like the rest and, as is so often the way with many bankers, enjoyed many more prosperous years [by way of highly-paid lectures and consultations by countries wanting to set up central banks of their own].) Keith Americans don't seem to know much about the Jewish content of much of the great intellectual work that was being done in Austria and Germany at the beginning of the 20th century. As I study the Vienna Circle, Walter Benjamin and so many, I'm just stunned at the depth of such a small group of people. I see the same kind of 1930s nonsense applied to the black community here that has come from the absolute dregs of the 1950s to being represented in leadership positions in every major aspect of the nation's life, even without Obama. This can't be laid at the feet of Affirmative Action. It's too competence oriented. Blacks are taking white jobs for the same reason Asians are taking white jobs. They are doing them better and they network with each other to help each other succeed. That was a large part of Hitler's complaint as well about the Jews. Can you imagine the gun toting yahoos here being able to do anything serious in the modern world other than menial factory widget jobs? How far up the ladder would these people like the Koch brothers climb if they hadn't started at the top with the requisite capital to begin with? I'm moving further and further away from Cable and the pulp press. I still like the professor types like Krugman, but I made myself clear as to what I think of the concept that the lower 98 percent of the nation constitutes a tribe ala Brooks/Murray. I feel the same way about "Indian" Tribes. "Tribe" is a term the government uses to de-nationalize cultures that go back ten thousand years. Long before the world according to the Yonega was created. It's in their book! I have very little patience for rigid, ignorant, bigotry given my health and limited time. How's your married life:>)) REH From: [email protected] [ mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> ] On Behalf Of de Bivort Lawrence Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 3:54 AM To: RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION Cc: Steve & Edith Kurtz; Mike Hollinshead Subject: Re: [Futurework] Tribes? Many thanks for the heads up on this book, Ray. I just ordered it. I read the Bell Curve some time ago, but not his Real Education. Any thoughts? Cheers, Lawry On Feb 1, 2012, at 12:50 AM, Ray Harrell wrote: When they don't like you they call you a Tribe. But if you're dumb you call yourself one. If you're proud and desire a future, you call yourself and your people a Nation. REH <http://www.nytimes.com/> <image001.gif> January 30, 2012 The Great Divorce By DAVID BROOKS <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/opinion/editorialsandoped/oped/columnists/dav idbrooks/index.html?inline=nyt-per> Ill be shocked if theres another book this year as important as Charles Murrays Coming Apart. Ill be shocked if theres another book that so compellingly describes the most important trends in American society. Murrays basic argument is not new, that America is dividing into a two-caste society. Whats impressive is the incredible data he produces to illustrate that trend and deepen our understanding of it. His story starts in 1963. There was a gap between rich and poor then, but it wasnt that big. A house in an upper-crust suburb cost only twice as much as the average new American home. The tippy-top luxury car, the Cadillac Eldorado Biarritz, cost about $47,000 in 2010 dollars. Thats pricey, but nowhere near the price of the top luxury cars today. More important, the income gaps did not lead to big behavior gaps. Roughly 98 percent of men between the ages of 30 and 49 were in the labor force, upper class and lower class alike. Only about 3 percent of white kids were born outside of marriage. The rates were similar, upper class and lower class. Since then, America has polarized. The word class doesnt even capture the divide Murray describes. You might say the country has bifurcated into different social tribes, with a tenuous common culture linking them. The upper tribe is now segregated from the lower tribe. In 1963, rich people who lived on the Upper East Side of Manhattan lived close to members of the middle class. Most adult Manhattanites who lived south of 96th Street back then hadnt even completed high school. Today, almost all of Manhattan south of 96th Street is an upper-tribe enclave. Today, Murray demonstrates, there is an archipelago of affluent enclaves clustered around the coastal cities, Chicago, Dallas and so on. If youre born into one of them, you will probably go to college with people from one of the enclaves; youll marry someone from one of the enclaves; youll go off and live in one of the enclaves. Worse, there are vast behavioral gaps between the educated upper tribe (20 percent of the country) and the lower tribe (30 percent of the country). This is where Murray is at his best, and hes mostly using data on white Americans, so the effects of race and other complicating factors dont come into play. Roughly 7 percent of the white kids in the upper tribe are born out of wedlock, compared with roughly 45 percent of the kids in the lower tribe. In the upper tribe, nearly every man aged 30 to 49 is in the labor force. In the lower tribe, men in their prime working ages have been steadily dropping out of the labor force, in good times and bad. People in the lower tribe are much less likely to get married, less likely to go to church, less likely to be active in their communities, more likely to watch TV excessively, more likely to be obese. Murrays story contradicts the ideologies of both parties. Republicans claim that America is threatened by a decadent cultural elite that corrupts regular Americans, who love God, country and traditional values. That story is false. The cultural elites live more conservative, traditionalist lives than the cultural masses. Democrats claim America is threatened by the financial elite, who hog societys resources. But thats a distraction. The real social gap is between the top 20 percent and the lower 30 percent. The liberal members of the upper tribe latch onto this top 1 percent narrative because it excuses them from the central role they themselves are playing in driving inequality and unfairness. Its wrong to describe an America in which the salt of the earth common people are preyed upon by this or that nefarious elite. Its wrong to tell the familiar underdog morality tale in which the problems of the masses are caused by the elites. The truth is, members of the upper tribe have made themselves phenomenally productive. They may mimic bohemian manners, but they have returned to 1950s traditionalist values and practices. They have low divorce rates, arduous work ethics and strict codes to regulate their kids. Members of the lower tribe work hard and dream big, but are more removed from traditional bourgeois norms. They live in disorganized, postmodern neighborhoods in which it is much harder to be self-disciplined and productive. I doubt Murray would agree, but we need a National Service Program. We need a program that would force members of the upper tribe and the lower tribe to live together, if only for a few years. We need a program in which people from both tribes work together to spread out the values, practices and institutions that lead to achievement. If we could jam the tribes together, wed have a better elite and a better mass. _______________________________________________ Futurework mailing list [email protected] https://lists.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4784 - Release Date: 02/03/12 _______________________________________________ Futurework mailing list [email protected] https://lists.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework Keith Hudson, Saltford, England http://allisstatus.wordpress.com <http://allisstatus.wordpress.com/> _____ No virus found in this message. 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