At the moment I don't have the time or bandwidth to engage with Mike S. as
fully as I would like or as his disquisition on Bitcoin and "trust"
deserves.  

Just a couple of comments... Michel Bauwens and the P2P Foundation
http://p2pfoundation.net which he heads are an extremely interesting
phenomenon working to provide some alternative (counter-hegemonic)
perspectives on labour, production, consumption and other matters that
strike at the very heart of the current neo-liberal phantasmagon. (One need
only spend a very little time in burgeoning Brazil as I am currently having
the opportunity to do, to realize what we have lost as a society/culture in
our seemingly unconscious headlong plunge into the neo-liberal depths.
Brazil, is to my mind attempting (in part--there are conflicts) to build the
functioning social democracy that we collectively have been so thoughtlessly
abandoning over the last 20 years--and they are much the better for it
socially, economically, culturally etc.etc.

My second point is that the issue of trust is not really about
inter-individual connections, rather it is about connections/relationships
within communities -- I've written quite a lot about this in the context of
Community Informatics but just to say that networked individualism is to
neo-liberalism as trust is to community (informatics)--sort of...

Mike G.


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike Spencer
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 1:18 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Futurework] Re: <nettime> moving to a socially
sovereign,post-westphalian, currency



Mike G wrote:

> From: [email protected] On Behalf Of Michel Bauwens
> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 5:37 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject:  moving to a socially sovereign, post-westphalian, currency
>
> Why the P2P Foundation is paying its salaries in Bitcoin
>
> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/why-the-p2p-foundation-is-paying-its-
> salaries-in-bitcoin/2012/03/28

I gather that Mike and the original poster to Nettime found this of interest
because of the unconventional use of Bitcoin.  Bitcoin is an interesting
development but it has failed to grab me.  The highly technical
infrastructure of the implementation is as opaque and inaccessible to the
ordinary person as the US Fed and all the other arcana of the present system
of banking and money supply.

Like Facebook, smartphone apps and many other recent innovations, it's
superficially exciting new stuff to play with but it appears to me to have
its core existence in a remote and possibly hermetic place over which the
users have no control.

What did catch my attention were these lines:

> The cooperative is conceived as being a global phyle, a 
> community-oriented enterprise that aims to generate income for the 
> contributors to the commons and the Foundation, so that we become 
> financially sustainable. As a phyle, we operate globally with 
> cooperators located in different parts of the globe.  [1]


Phyle?  That's a term I've only encountered in a fictional context.
Wikipedia describes only its meaning in relation to classical Greece.

The referenced URL [1] attempts to explain the concept as it is held by the
author but it sounds like he's making it up as he goes along. [2] But down
toward the end, we find:

    Back in the late '90s...Neal Stephenson introduced the concept of
    "phyles" in The Diamond Age. Phyles filled the void left after
    encrypted commerce and digital currencies had deprived the
    Westphalian nation-state of most of its revenues, and most of the
    world's states were either substantially hollowed out or had
    collapsed altogether into Balkanized collections of
    city-states. The phyle was a distributed,
    non-geographically-based, global civil society, providing -- much
    like the medieval guilds at the height of their vigor -- a range
    of support platforms for its members: reputational rating systems
    and quality certification, cooperative buying and marketing,
    assorted benefits like health and unemployment insurance, legal
    and security services, encrypted currencies and virtual
    marketplaces, and so forth.

Unless you're severely put off by fictional worlds that depart far from
conventional realism, Stephenson's book is well worth reading. It does a far
better job of exploring some if the aspects of phyles than the above-quoted
rather dry paragraph (or even that whole web page). How do you engender
trust within your phyle?  Do you test that trust?  What protections does it
offer?  What sacrifices does it demand? What secrets must you keep?  What
power may your phyle acquire and how should you wield it if you get it?
When is loyalty paramount and when are you free to leave and join another?

The matter of trust within a phyle (or within any distributed group) is a
critical one.  Techies tend to turn to technical answers such as encryption
and digital signatures.  I've never trusted the SSL encryption now standard
with web browsers, not because if cryptological weakness but because such
trust is synonymous with trusting large, impersonal and distant for-profit
corporations.  This has subjected me to derision by those who are keen to do
their banking and shopping on-line.  My distrust has been justified by
recent events that resulted is at least one cert issuer being shut down
after transactions that subverted the whole process.

So I'm looking forward to reading Bruce Schneier's latest book, Liars and
Outliers. I've read one of his previous books (Applied
Cryptography) that is purely about the nuts and bolts of crypto math. His
new book goes far beyond these narrow technical details of communication
security.

    When we think about trust, we naturally think about personal
    relationships or bank vaults. That's too narrow. Trust is much
    broader, and much more important. Nothing in society works without
    trust. It's the foundation of communities, commerce,
    democracy -- everything.

    In this insightful and entertaining book, Schneier weaves together
    ideas from across the social and biological sciences to explain
    how society induces trust. He shows how trust works and fails in
    social settings, communities, organizations, countries, and the
    world.

    In today's hyper-connected society, understanding the mechanisms
    of trust is as important as understanding electricity was a
    century ago. Issues of trust and security are critical to solving
    problems as diverse as corporate responsibility, global warming,
    and our moribund political system. After reading Liars and
    Outliers, you'll think about social problems, large and small,
    differently.  [3]

Bruce Sterling's book, Distraction, also explores the subject of trust in a
post-hierarchical, nearly post-national world.  Once again, you need not to
be put off by a rather wild yarn if you want to think about the elements of
trust and distributed social entities represented.

So, getting back to Mike G's original forwarded piece, how'm I gonna come to
trust Bitcoin?  If I manage to get some, are they safer from theft than the
coffee can of Canadian Two-nies [4] buried in the back yard? Will they
evaporate in the next Carrington Event?  Where does the verifiable
representation of my bitcoinage live? On my HD? In some central digital
repository like Bastionhost?  

More on this, perhaps, after I've managed to get Schneier's book and read
it.


- Mike



[1] See  http://p2pfoundation.net/Phyles

[2] The same author's much longer piece at 

       http://deugarte.com/gomi/phyles.pdf

    seems less scattered but I haven't more than lightly browsed it
    yet.  I think it might be an interesting read.  I'd never heard of
    the "Dunbar number" before although I came up with a similar
    notion on my own long ago.

[3] http://www.schneier.com/book-lo.html

    Also a relevant short essay and an interview at:

    http://www.schneier.com/crypto-gram-1203.html

[3] A 2 pound coffee can holds about $4,000 in rolled twonies. And no,
    I don't actually have one buried in the back yard.

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