And let's not forget 3-D printing, is is surely going to be a big thing.  I am 
guessing it won't trigger as many concerns as the heavy workshop environment 
you describe, Mike. Any thoughts on 3-D printing?

Cheers,
Lawry


On Jun 23, 2012, at 1:25 AM, Mike Spencer wrote:

> 
> Less gloomy, so I've altered the subject line.
> 
> Pete wrote:
> 
>    This led me to reflect on another recent item I'd read of in the
>    community paper of my suburb, involving local retirees living in
>    downsized digs. These guys had formed a club, and rented a
>    warehouse space, where they assembled a richly appointed workshop,
>    perhaps furnished in part with equipment donated from former home
>    workshops, where they could freely putter in all the sorts of
>    things that they would have been doing in basement workshops in
>    the houses they had left - woodworking, metal working, machining,
>    and whatnot. The group had a large and enthusiastic membership,
>    and if I recall it correctly, they only made the news as their
>    warehouse space was being sold out from under them, and they were
>    seeking a new home. The point I'm making with this is that these
>    guys are happiest when they are doing something. It doesn't have
>    to be art, it can be a craft that wouldn't be regarded as at all
>    "artsy", say using their skills just to do renovations and repairs
>    for friends and relatives, but being free to do whatever they
>    want, they will collaborate to do this sort of stuff rather than
>    sit around and watch tv.
> 
> This is great stuff.  Teenagers and 20-somethings (and some others)
> are doing something like this with "makerspace" and "cowork".
> 
>   http://queenstreetcommons.org/
>   http://www.assentworks.ca/
> 
> Or google "makerspace" to see variety of approaches to the idea.
> 
> There is this differnce, though, in the context.  Retired guys tend to
> have at least minimal support from pensions and may have substantial
> savings or disposable income.  They have experience in dealing with
> such matters as renting a warehouse.  Any particular congeries of them
> is likely to have the experience and the basic skills of getting along
> with coworkers.
> 
> Great!  Lets do that.
> 
> Wait.  We have to form a registered entity of some kind to rent the
> warehouse.  Then we have to have liability insurance lest someone gets
> injured, goes ape and wants to sue everybody else, the moreso if one
> guy rents the warehouse in his own name and wants to avoid liability
> risk.
> 
> What about zoning? Is our club an "industry" in a "commercial" zone?
> No?  Well, that milling machine that Fred lucked onto for scrap price
> needs 3-phase wiring.  A 3-phase entry costs a pile and maybe we'll
> suddenly become "industrial" if we have 3-phase.  What about fire
> insurance?  Maybe the landlord insures the building but what about
> Fred's mill, harvey's pile of rosewood planks and Alice's
> irreplaceable violin maker's tools?  Do we need to get a licensed
> electrician to wire the lighting and the table saw lest the building
> inspector shut us down?  What if the health and safety guy come
> around?  Will we have to intall an approved fume hood for Marvin's gun
> bluing rig?  Will the fire department shut us down if we don't have
> pricey dust collectors on the wood working gear?  The propane guys
> won't deliver fuel for the little propane forge unless it's officially
> approved by standards authorities in *this* jurisdiction and the
> plumbing installed by a licensed gas fitter. (And they might shop us to
> the fire marshall if they catch on that we're using 20# or 40# tanks
> from the barecue or Winebago stored indoors.)
> 
> 
> It's pretty easy to collect up some computers and printers, some
> tables and chairs, knock together a heavy workbench. So computer stuff
> -- robotics, Arduino projects, programming, designing, media -- can be
> done pretty easily.  As soon as you get ambitious about *making stuff*,
> all kinds of barriers pop up, the same kind that are barriers to entry
> for small business.
> 
> So here we are, back at the Blade Runner (or cyberpunk) scenario.
> There are so many barriers to doing practically anything constructive
> (unless you have substantial resources -- time, money and skill in
> coping with regulation) that the obvious way to implement this is to
> live and work in a squat, in the black economy, in a slum where the
> cops don't go for anything less that a homocide, totally ignoring
> regulatory demands.
> 
> Jeez, here I am gloomy again.  Well, nevertheless, I have hopes for
> the makerspace movement.  I'm just projecting onto it the kinds of
> problems that blacksmiths and sculptors have when they collect up some
> gear, get a ton of coal and then try go about their work as if it were
> still 1910.
> 
> 
> 
> - Mike
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