Arthur, if corporations are individuals then what kind of individuals are
they?   I would also point out as the late Louis Castaldi president of IBM
world in the 1960s said to me.  "IBM is a socialist organization."  Lou was
speaking as to the system of all corporations as governing structures.  He
didn't see a corporation as an individual but as a type of government.   I
said to Lou, "why is it not a feudal government?"   He said: "Look around
you, they are into community."    He was speaking of the beautiful atrium
with the string quartet that all of the management and employees were
sharing.   Lou was the last of the CEOs to make under a million dollars a
year.   After he retired all hell broke loose and the angry Jewish girl from
Russia that had lost everything and escaped to America began to justify her
anger and her need to fight to live.  Alice became Ayn Rand and being
selfish was the highest good.   She was the antithesis to Karl Marx.   Not
one tenth as smart but perfect for a nation of wounded souls and scars.
Lou had been a partisan in the Italian underground during WWII and he too
had lost everything but somehow the scars only made him a realist.  Perhaps
it was the Italian culture.   Alice's culture had been taken over by a group
that venerated a Jewish Messiah (Marx) but that didn't like individual Jews.
What a strange world it has been these 2000 years with people blaming others
for what they themselves then choose to do as they make excuses for their
bad behavior.   Unfortunately greed is addictive and most of Rand's wealthy
followers are like an anorexic looking at their bank account and screaming
that their ideal is never enough.   Whether skinny or billionaire it is
still a pscho-pathology that has wounds and sin at its root.  

REH

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We may be seeing an indication of technology and economic development.
Economic development, it seems, may be --in some ways--about moving away
from community to the individual.  And in this case, without other
institutions that develop trust, development may be at odds with social
cohesion. 

arthur

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Thanks Mike, you've carried the argument forward into some interesting and
unexpected areas...

Macpherson's discussion was based on a deep analysis and critique of the
foundation documents of political "liberalism" (whiggery)... Locke, Hume,
Hobbes, although it linked into and closely paralleled the somewhat earlier
discussions (Maine, Toennies, Durkheim... describing the fall of medieval
society and the rise of modern "contract" based social relations.

The Sociologists however, were focusing at the "social" level and Macpherson
and the Anglo's were discussing individuals and individual rights. They were
basically arguing the same thing but Macpherson seems somehow more
appropriate in this context since he (and those he discusses) aren't
beginning from the notion of a decline but rather are looking at the role
that individual property rights played in the broader social (and political)
transformation.  

(The underlying notion I'm trying to present in the blogpost is the highly
corrosive role that individualized and property defined information (as
determined through mobile communication) will likely play in many currently
somewhat "communally" structured rural environments.)

Best,

M

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Mike G. wrote:

> http://gurstein.wordpress.com/2012/07/21/the-mobile-revolution-and-the
> -rise-
> and-rise-of-possessive-individualism/

and in the referenced paper wrote:

    An example, in a recent excursion here in Ghana I happened to notice
    that the local artisanal in-shore fishery consists largely of boats
    with up to a dozen fishermen.  When it comes time to haul in the nets
    up to 30 or so villagers may be involved. These folks don't need to
    know as individuals what the local price of fish might be in a
    particular market (they aren't selling the fish as individuals)....

    ....

    So, in the vast majority of instances (and the design of both the
    mobile systems and the individual applications almost require this)
    the information is made available only on a one-to-one (individual to
    individual) basis. Any follow-on as for example through the sharing of
    this information with others say in the village is solely at the
    discretion (and the responsibility) of the individual without there
    being any formal or informal (let alone technical) structures to
    support this (in fact community radio often becomes a means for
    "community"integration of mobile communication but that is a subject
    for another blogpost).

In a village there's no privacy. So if Cousin Alice sends word to Bob that
fish prices are better up-town than down-town, everybody in the village
knows Bob had a visitor.  They probably know from whom the message comes and
what it's about.  In fact, the messenger may deliver the message in public.

So getting private info on the fish market will require deviousness and
subterfuge which will themselves be noticed by other villagers.

Now Alice calls Bob on his mobile.  No one knows what he learned and
probably can't guess who the call was from.

Taking the Devil's Advocate role here, if the *possibility* of private
information leads to individuals abandoning communitarian behavior in favor
of maximizing personal gain, shouldn't we assume that "possessive
individualism" is the natural thing a la Friedman -- that communal behavior
was the result of surveillance, not of any deeply felt commitment to
community?  If there were such a commitment, Bob would immediately go tell
Claire & Dennis the news and pretty soon everybody would know.

So is the moral here that privacy enables deviance and a local but
distributed panopticon ensures conformity to community values?

Well, I haven't read Macpherson (whom you cite [1]) but perhaps I should.  I
did read the cited Wikipedia page:

WikiP> For Friedman, economic freedom needed to be protected because it 
WikiP> ensured political freedom.[9] Friedman appeals to historical 
WikiP> examples that demonstrate where the largest amount of political 
WikiP> freedom is found the economic model has been capitalist. In 
WikiP> Friedman's words, "history suggests...that capitalism is a 
WikiP> necessary condition for political freedom."[10] Macpherson 
WikiP> counters that the 19th-century examples that Friedman uses 
WikiP> actually show that political freedom came first and those who 
WikiP> gained this freedom, mainly property owning elites, used this new 
WikiP> political freedom for their own best interests which meant to 
WikiP> open the doors to unrestrained capitalism. It follows then, that 
WikiP> capitalism will only be maintained as long as those who have 
WikiP> political freedom deem it worthwhile. As the 19th century 
WikiP> progressed and suffrage was expanded, there were corresponding 
WikiP> restraints placed upon capitalism which indicates that political 
WikiP> freedom and capitalism are at odds with one another. "At any 
WikiP> rate", Macpherson contends, this "historical correlation scarcely 
WikiP> suggests that capitalism is a necessary condition for political 
WikiP> freedom.

which makes sense to me as do the rest of the ideas attribute to him. [2]

Is the village panopticon a necessary political constraint on economic
activity?  How does it scale to modern nation states and transnational
corporations?

OTOH, how do the tangible, best-case benefits of ICT in the village context
scale to help we'uns sitting alone at our computers and already more or less
wedged in possessive-individualism mode?

- Mike


[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._B._Macpherson

[2] Except for two sentences that I can't parse.

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