Do write your book, Ray.  I'll read it.

Ed
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Ray Harrell 
  To: 'RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION,EDUCATION' 
  Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 9:14 PM
  Subject: Re: [Futurework] Godamn Gummint!!


  Thanks Ed, 

   

  I don't make the distinction between reasons for choices.   What matters to 
me is the effect of those choices on the rest of us.   My comments about both 
Taitz and Rand included yours.  I agree and I think there is more.   Rand was a 
failed film writer and so she went to books exorcising her personal demons and 
misreading the America I grew up in and have a history with from before 1776.   
 None of my teachers bare any resemblance to her cartoon characters.   
Certainly Roark is no stand in for any artist I know or have known including 
Frank Lloyd Wright.    Her processes are pure outsider speculation.  
Amateurish.     

   

  When sophisticated people like the late Concert Pianist Samuel Lipman and his 
Juilliard faculty wife Jeanine Dowis hook on to these simple minded stories, 
there has to be another reason and there was.   I was there.   The right wing 
intellectual journal the New Criterion made a lot of money for Sam when his 
piano career didn't and they didn't have to struggle the way the rest of us do. 
  They told me this.   I know that its second hand but it was first hand to me 
and my conflicting with them made me persona non grata in those circles.    As 
for Safire?   He wrote about in the New York Times.    I don't consider them 
crazy or haunted by the past so much as it was a simple decision of self 
interest in the same way that the current conservatives have learned to think.  
  Sam told me that he started it all at a demonstration in which he confronted 
several billionaires with the reality of what they called a Liberal Press.   He 
set up a table with all of the journals and newspapers that the American 
"Liberals" working for the CIA had used in Europe to sway Europe towards a 
Socialist Democracy rather than  Soviet Communist Socialism.    These guys got 
the American government to fund left wing American writings for European 
consumption.   When they came home, they believed themselves authorities on it 
and became Neo-Conservatives.    Francis Stoner Saunders has written a book 
documenting all of this.   I've lived through it on the periphery but that was 
plenty close enough.    I also observed the contracts with the Fundamentalists 
in New York City and Los Angeles.     The CIA where Bill Buckley and the others 
had worked evidently agreed that American Socialists were uncontrollable and so 
they paid for half of the start up fees for Buckley's National Review.   

   

  When Lipman set up that table he put all of those American inspired Socialist 
books and journals on one table and the National Review on the other.   He said 
to the billionaires.  That one table has all of the people who are against your 
wealth and want to re-distribute it.     The other table has those who do not.  
 One magazine, the Buckley's National Review.   Lipman funded the New Criterion 
on that day as the right wing intellectual journal.   Also flowing from that 
was the Heritage Foundation and later the Federalist Society that infiltrated 
the judiciary. 

   

  If you want to get a feel for what it was like being around those people at 
that time.   Look at the way Newt Gingrich ran his campaign as a way to make 
money.    He sounded just like them.   It was an interesting time.   Someday I 
will write a book about it.    In two words I would call it the "Venal class.

   

  REH

   

  From: [email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ed Weick
  Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 9:50 AM
  To: RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION
  Subject: Re: [Futurework] Godamn Gummint!!

   

  Interesting stuff, Ray.  One thing you appear to be arguing is that people 
choose to hold a particular political or ideological point of view because it 
is advantageous to do so and not out of a deep inner conviction.  If that 
really is what you're saying, I'd disagree.  I'd argue that Ayn Rand, for 
example, held the views she did because she grew up in Russia at a very 
turbulent time.  She had at least two strikes against her in Russia: she was 
Jewish and her family was well-to-do.  She would have cherished the relative 
freedom and security she found in the US when she emigrated there as a young 
woman.

   

  I don't know very much about the other people you mention.  I know that Orly 
Taitz, another Russian Jew by birth, argues that Obama shouldn't be President 
because he wasn't born in the US.  As for Leo Strauss, I recall that he had a 
founding influence on the Chicago School of Economics, which some people say 
(Naomi Klein for example) promoted the interests of corporate capitalism with 
rather disastrous results.

   

  I'll leave the Osage alone for the time being.  I'm sure you know far more 
about them than I ever could.

   

  Ed

   

    ----- Original Message ----- 

    From: Ray Harrell 

    To: 'RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION,EDUCATION' 

    Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 6:45 PM

    Subject: Re: [Futurework] Godamn Gummint!!

     

    Considering that the Osage were stolen blind by the European American 
"Sooner" Oklahomans and that the "Sooners" were the group that formed the 
foundations for the current energy billionaires in America,  Rand's 
"Government" property protection applied to Indians  would have created a 
vastly different society with American Indian billionaires.   The last rich 
Indian to espouse these things was VP Curtis that was Herbert Hoover's VP.    
We've paid for his faith and belief in the Yonega for the last 70 plus years.   
 

     

    There are a lot more African Americans today than there have been Indians 
since the 1800.    You can read the racial angst in Ryan and the GOP today with 
Obama.    Imagine what it was in 1930 when the Osage were the equivalent of 
today's Dubai.     The state appointed white guardians for every full blood and 
then the full bloods died like sheep amongst wolves or Hindus during the early 
days of the British governments in India.  

     

    It seems that the problem of protecting private property depends a lot more 
who how that is defined and what group is currently in power.   Consider the 
way Tom Delay tried to divide up Texas because of the coming whirlwind of 
Blacks and Hispanics in the next eight years.    

     

    "Rand" was a first generation naturalized American, like "Birther" Orly 
Taitz who is also Soviet Russian trained in the Soviet education system with 
its prejudice towards Jews.   Occasionally first time immigrants confronting 
America make an awful mess of what they believe English really says.     
Although Taitz is widely traveled and speaks five languages her wretched 
background, from two generations of holocaust and pogroms, is not enough to 
make her understand English or American culture.    Her paranoid application to 
American culture with experience no older than my daughter,  resembles nothing 
more than a terrible PTSD from a mind that has the tools to be less foolish 
than she appears.   

     

    I remember when "Rand" was the current version of Taitz and her followers 
were as simple minded as the "Birthers."   Sort of "atheist Baptists" in their 
attitudes.   Now we have Ryan and Gingrich.   One born and the other converted 
to the Catholicism that all of those mid westerners feared might exist in John 
Kennedy.    That Czarist taught Russian  Alice Rosenbaum recast as Ayn Rand was 
incompetent as a film writer.     In the hyper naturalism of the Hollywood 
films, of her day her English was Russian.   The only people who spoke like 
Rand wrote were in the crime and heroic cartoons.   Did she learn it there?   
I've known Jewish scientists who learned their English in the all night movies 
of Times Square.   They went on to become world class scientists.   But Rand 
wanted to create movies in her own image which was inadequate.    The problem 
was that everyone else in the live actor movies had to speak English that was 
seven layers deep or they seemed like a cross between Donald Duck and Prince 
Valiant.   Can you imagine either of them making love?    With each other?    
That was Rand's problem with her writing. 

     

    There is nothing really "objective"  about Ayn Rand.    Just simple minded 
fundamentalist cartoon black and white thinking.    Even that is too much for 
Ryan when it comes to women.    I don't know what his Oklahoma wife, child of 
liberal Democrats, saw in him unless it was the only way she could "separate 
and individuate."    Or maybe she's just a shallow pretty face.     

     

    I've known a number of conservative children of socialists since I moved to 
New York.     For some it was the only way to discover their individualism and 
leave home.   For others like William Safire, it was an economic decision.   
When he left the NYTimes he said that had he been graduating now he would have 
chosen being a Liberal Democrat because that was where the opportunities for 
advancement lay in the current future.    Leo Strauss had anger management 
problems with the Liberal New York college establishments which he vented about 
constantly and took revenge when he moved to Chicago.     When I moved to New 
York, there were failed artists who believed in themselves and chose the 
conservative cause as the best opportunities for success available to them even 
when it was outside their family "brand" and culture.   I guess it all depends 
upon what you are objective about. 

     

    REH

     

    From: [email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ed Weick
    Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 5:02 PM
    To: 'RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION'; 
[email protected]
    Subject: [Futurework] Godamn Gummint!!

     

    We've been hearing a lot about Ayn Rand and 'objectivism' now that Paul 
Ryan is Romney's choice for VP in the forthcoming US election, so I decided to 
find out what I could about Rand and her philosophy.  I thought of reading 
"Atlas Shrugged" or "The Fountainhead", but when I looked at them at a local 
bookstore I found them far too thick and the print far to small.  So I picked 
up a cheap little book of columns and comments that Rand and other 
Objectivist's had written a few decades ago.  Interestingly, though not 
surprisingly, Alan Greenspan is one of the contributors to the book.

     

    The sections that I've read so far, written by Rand herself, deal with the 
role and purposes of government in an objectivist society.  As Rand sees it, 
government's only role is to ensure the freedom of the citizen and to protect 
his property.  That is why you need cops within the country and an army to keep 
out foreigners who might infringe on the citizen's freedom.  Beyond these 
simple roles, government has no responsibilities.  If people are inadequately 
housed, getting decent housing is up to them; if they are hungry, they should 
make some money and get some food; if they are ill, it's up to them to find and 
pay a doctor; and of course getting an education is up to them too; etc.  
Everyone should strive to rise to the top, but of course only the cleverest and 
most committed will.  Above all, people should not depend on government, whose 
only role is to ensure that they are free to do the things they want to do.

     

    I could read on, but I may not.  From an ideological point of view, It's 
interesting stuff, but using it as a basis for how government should operate in 
this complex, changing and globalized world could lead to massive mistakes such 
as budgetary restraints where stimulus may be needed, cutting back on important 
government programs or not initiating them, and catering to entrenched 
corporate interests.  It's a rather extreme ideology which appears to have no 
place for common purposes or the reality that people really do care for one 
another.  I find it scary that politicians could look upon it as a set of 
principles on which their programs should be based.

     

    Ed

     

     

     

     


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