Hi Mike,  you remind me of my best friend here but he's from Texas.  He's a
Cherokee physicist who graduated Harvard is a world expert on string figures
and now spends his time translating Chinese Poetry although he himself is a
great poet.   Here's his URL: http://www.torusflex.com/     He's much older
now.    The pictures are from his time teaching at the Laguardia High School
of the Performing Arts here at Lincoln Center.   He's now retired and
writing and publishing like a Banshee.  

As for the city planning.   Urban design came from several places.   It has
many late protagonists ending up with the  mixed record of people like
Robert Moses in New York and the planned communities.   But before that,
there were the descendants of the old Cameratas in Italy and the British and
Continental Men's Clubs.   In the 1880s, the Robber Barons took the reins of
time, culture, medicine, education, fashion, Indian policy and
transportation with overt actions creating time zones,  high brow
culture/middlebrow and lower class culture and entertainment,  they
organized education and libraries,  rail transportation creating great
cities on the plains away from everything, invented modern medical education
with the founding Johns Hopkins University, and practiced social theories on
the remnants of the once huge American Indian empires confining them to
reservations and western social theories.    After 1929, they also began the
investment in information technology with the automation of entertainment in
the development of non-live performing mediums that had a huge economy of
scale.   This was overt.    Just as modern engineering sprang from the
bowels of Italian artists creating artistic perspective, so did modern
information technology begin in the Arts and what to do with them in the
marketplace.  But it was planned in social setting as rigid as the most
rigid board room but with a lot more grace.   The historical record is clear
although the idea of clubs and committees has fallen out of fashion in favor
of conglomerates and market entities.   

A lot of frontier development was organic but as Frederick Jackson Turner
wrote, the Frontier ended in 1900 and the era of social design began as an
attempt at conservation and efficiency.   In 1929 it all collapsed in what
would become a great Depression and the world would be shaped in the image
of the War to End all Wars and 100 million would die.  That is their
inheritance.   I participated as one of the pawns in the world's largest
lead and zinc mining field in the middle of an Indian Reservation where I
lived until I was 18. 


REH

PS: In the last twenty years or so, I've used futurework and other groups on
the internet as a kind of university to open horizons and get to know the
other Domains outside my own.   It's been a tremendous help. 


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Subject: [Futurework] Re: Nobel Prize


Keith wrote:

KH> Well, I'll tell you. Almost all major conurbations lie at what were 
KH> previously major ports (even if they're not so busy today), The 
KH> remainder are on rivers. In times past they all had many 
KH> manufacturing areas and developed major warehousing (for stuff made 
KH> in the interior of the country) and financial sectors.

and Ed replied (in part):

Ed> All I'm saying is that while we like to think of cities in terms of 
Ed> ports and trade routes, their foundation and growth occurred because 
Ed> of a variety of factors.

Many cites originated as convenient landing -- latter shipping -- points.
But their long-term development surely depended, as Ed opines, on "a variety
of factors".

Brian Arthur (Stanford, Santa Fe Institute, PARC) has numerous papers on
positive feedback related to how cities come to dominate over other
potential sites of conurbation.  [1] Wiener showed us how negative feedback
was the essential element of control -- steering or "cybernetic" --
mechanisms.  But in 2nd c. Britain or 19th c. America, nobody was trying to
*steer* the development of cities.  Positive feedback leads to runaway and
disaster in, say, steering a ship or stabilizing a very tall building. It
seems also to lead to runaway and, in retrospect, possibly to disaster in
the growth of cities.
Only cities typically grow over centuries so the disaster arrives very
gradually. From the perspective of the Roman legions or the East India
Company or the railroad barons or a modern mega-corporation, nearly
everything and everyone in a city is an "externality" during those centuries
of growth and change.

I kinda like Krugman, at least intermittently, because he tends to see what
he's looking at -- what's on the "end of his fork" -- rather than what
existing doctrine says he should be seeing.  But in seeking underlying
principles, I'm more impressed by acceptance at the Santa Fe Institute than
I am by the late-comer economic Nobel recognition.

And WB Arthur hews more to the kind of thinking that Ray urges on us
-- systems, complexity, (so-called) operations research, chaos -- than to
thinking that depends on the existing architecture of economic doctrine.

Ed> Prior to Krugman, the theory of international trade was based on the 
Ed> Ricardian notion of comparative advantage....  From what little I 
Ed> know, Krugman brought in the idea that, given a certain level of 
Ed> technological development, resource advantage didn't really matter 
Ed> very much.

No wonder so many people dismiss him.  He offended, continues to offend,
established dogma.

Well, as I said before, I never took Econ 101 and ran aground in Chapter 1
trying to beat up a Econ 101 textbook.  Before enlightenment, chop wood,draw
water. After enlightenment, chop wood,draw water.  So

FWIW,
- Mike


[1] Some collected in W. Brian Arthur, _Increasing Returns and Path
    Dependence in the Economy_, Univ. Michigan Press, 1994

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